RE: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-04 Thread Wheeler, David A
Gisi, Mark [mailto:mark.g...@windriver.com]: > My main concern is: if we don't choose a sufficiently expressive syntax, and > end up losing information, then we will have done more damage to SPDX than > good. It needs to represent NOTICES and not just a single license. Fair enough. I very much

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-06 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear Mark, In message <01813e194c768044a6486db30b5338ccb711e...@ala-mba.corp.ad.wrs.com> you wrote: > > Example 1: > -- > File: ./cairo-1.10.2.tar.gz.txt/cairo-array.c (see attachment 1) > NOTICE (simplified): "The file is licensed to you under either the LGPL-2.1 > or MPL-1.1 at your o

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-06 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear David, In message <9f8e44bc27e22046b84ec1b9364c66a1a8054aa...@exch07-4850.ida.org> you wrote: > > SPDX-License-Identifier: LGPL-2.1 OR MPL-1.1 ... > In general, we all want both simplicity (so people will USE it) and > expressiveness (so it can be USEFUL). The trick is getting there... I d

RE: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-06 Thread Gary O'Neall
2013 11:58 AM To: Wheeler, David A Cc: SPDX-legal; spdx-t...@lists.spdx.org; SPDX-biz; d...@uvic.ca Subject: Re: meta-tag page - part II Dear David, In message <9f8e44bc27e22046b84ec1b9364c66a1a8054aa...@exch07-4850.ida.org> you wrote: > > SPDX-License-Identifier: LGPL-2.1 OR MPL-1.1 ...

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear Gary, In message <001f01cec2e5$9f1d9b20$dd58d160$@com> you wrote: > > The "AND" situation would occur if you have a file which contains code from > two or more different sources using two or more different licenses. In that > case, I believe you would need to satisfy the obligations of all

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread D M German
Wolfgang> Dear David, Wolfgang> In message <9f8e44bc27e22046b84ec1b9364c66a1a8054aa...@exch07-4850.ida.org> you wrote: >> >> SPDX-License-Identifier: LGPL-2.1 OR MPL-1.1 Wolfgang> ... >> In general, we all want both simplicity (so people will USE it) and >> expressiveness (so it can be

RE: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Manbeck, Jack
7, 2013 4:42 AM To: Gary O'Neall Cc: spdx-t...@lists.spdx.org; 'SPDX-legal'; 'SPDX-biz'; 'Wheeler, David A'; d...@uvic.ca Subject: Re: meta-tag page - part II Dear Gary, In message <001f01cec2e5$9f1d9b20$dd58d160$@com> you wrote: > > The "

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread D M German
Gisi, Mark twisted the bytes to say: >>> SPDX-License-Notice: This file is licensed under the following license(s): >>> SPDX-License-Identifier: MIT >>> SPDX-License-More-Information: http://wiki.spdx.org/ Mark> One aspect of SPDX we struggle with is its relatively weak Mark> suppor

RE: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Gary O'Neall
the same SPDX package or file. Gary -Original Message- From: Wolfgang Denk [mailto:w...@denx.de] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:42 AM To: Gary O'Neall Cc: 'Wheeler, David A'; 'SPDX-legal'; spdx-t...@lists.spdx.org; 'SPDX-biz'; d...@uvic.ca Subject: Re:

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear Daniel, In message <87ob71qey8@mn.cs.uvic.ca> you wrote: > > Wolfgang> Also, in the interest of easy processing of the license tags, I > wouls > Wolfgang> like to propse that multiple licenses in a list are separated by > white > Wolfgang> space only - no "OR", no commas, nor any ot

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear Gary, In message <002f01cec378$2f2a3470$8d7e9d50$@com> you wrote: > > If there is no conflict in license terms, however, I do not see an issue > in using this approach. I run across a large volume of MIT style and BSD > style licenses mixed in with GPL code, for example. Using "AND'd" > lic

RE: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Wheeler, David A
Wolfgang Denk [mailto:w...@denx.de]: > But this example doesn't work either. If you mix a license that allows > "modify and keep the modified code closed" with GPL, the only legally > possible result is GPLed code. > I see little value in constructing such more or less artificial examples. This

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear David, In message <9f8e44bc27e22046b84ec1b9364c66a1a8054ab...@exch07-4850.ida.org> you wrote: > > Note this comment: > # Except as otherwise marked, this code is licensed under the "MIT license". > # However, the "override" code that patches clisp is derived > # from clisp, which is GPLv2. >

RE: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Wheeler, David A
Wolfgang Denk [mailto:w...@denx.de] > But there there is no actual choice. Yes, you take the parts of the project > that do not include the GPL code - and you can use this code under the MIT > license for other purposes. But as soon as we talk about the thing as a > whole (say, the linked bin

Re: meta-tag page - part II

2013-10-07 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Wolfgang Denk wrote at 04:42 (EDT): > the files are now licensed under GPL-2.0, i. e. the "or later" option > had to be dropped for the file as a whole, because it was not > available for the parts imported from Linux. Files aren't copyright-magical-single-units. Nothing in the copyright statute