RE: Re[2]: Strong Authencation (was [PROPOSAL] authentication age

2006-10-06 Thread Granqvist, Hans
I think the 2.0 spec extension mechanism could handle signed credentials. For example, credentials=s where s is of a (string) format that contains a type + signature, say credentials=OATHVIP:WW91IGhhZCB0byBjaGVjaywgZGlkbid0IHlvdT8gOyk= The format could also further specify mechanism types,

Re: Strong Authencation (was [PROPOSAL] authentication age

2006-10-06 Thread Martin Atkins
Chris Drake wrote: Hi All, 1. Amazon asks the IdP Please assert this user is not a Robot How can it trust this occurred? 2. Amazon asks the IdP Please re-authenticate this user, via two-factor, two-way strong authentication How can it trust *this* occurred? The IdP can *say*

RE: Request for comments: Sorting fields in signature generation-Call for votes

2006-10-06 Thread Granqvist, Hans
Behavior needs to be specified before it can be recommended. So the spec MUST specify how to deal with the multiple parameters before it can set the use thereof as NOT RECOMMENDED. Hans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Recordon,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Separate Public Identifier from IdP Identifier

2006-10-06 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/6/06, Martin Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * The IdP returns a document naming its authentication endpoint (in the URI field) and a special anonymous token as openid:Token. openid:Token may be the same as the public identifier from the previous step, but this is not required.

RE: [PROPOSAL] Separate Public Identifier from IdP Identifier

2006-10-06 Thread Drummond Reed
+1. Josh is right. Ultimately there are three identifiers involved in all interactions between the User, the RP, and the IdP: 1) User-Presented-Identifier (UPI): the identifier entered by the User at the RP. 2) RP-Persisted-Identifier (RPI): the identifier that will be persisted by the RP in

Re[2]: [PROPOSAL] Separate Public Identifier from IdP Identifier

2006-10-06 Thread Chris Drake
Hi Martin, This is getting very close to what I believe is the main important thing we need in the spec to facilitate privacy, true SingleSignOn, and to help avoid confusing users by getting them to key IdP URLs. The only tweak I would like to see is right at the start, and is implemented using

Re: Adoption questions

2006-10-06 Thread Kevin Turner
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 13:26 +1000, Chris Drake wrote: Is my understanding accurate: OpenID is unable to support single sign on. If not - lets assume it's 9am. I just signed on. I can visit RP#1 then RP#2 then RP#3 and go back and forth all day without hindrance, until I next sign off - yes?

Delegation Proposal Amendment

2006-10-06 Thread Josh Hoyt
I'd like to amend my proposal for changing the delegation mechanism: Revised Proposal As it stands, openid.identity is the identifier by which the IdP knows the user. There is no parameter by which the RP knows the user. I propose to add a field called openid.rp_user_id in

Re[2]: [PROPOSAL] Separate Public Identifier from IdP Identifier

2006-10-06 Thread Chris Drake
CHRIS DRAKE'S PROPOSED FLOW 1) User *enters* UPI, but a Discovery Agent intercepts this: UPI does *not* get posted to RP 2) Discovery Agent sends UPI to IdP 3) IdP authenticates against UPI 4) IdP selects appropriate RP-specific IPI 5) IdP initiates authentication with RP using IPI Kind

Re: [PROPOSAL] Separate Public Identifier from IdP Identifier

2006-10-06 Thread Kevin Turner
From http://www.lifewiki.net/openid/SeparateIdentifierFromIdPToken (change #3): Impact on XRI-based auth: An XRI is, for this purpose, a URI that can be resolved into a URL at which we can do Yadis discovery. Once Yadis discovery begins, flow continues as in the original proposal, where

RE: [PROPOSAL] Separate Public Identifier from IdP Identifier

2006-10-06 Thread Drummond Reed
+1 to Kevin's point here -- no second discovery step is needed with an XRI. =Drummond -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Turner Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:58 PM To: specs@openid.net Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Separate Public

Re: Delegation Proposal Amendment

2006-10-06 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/6/06, Granqvist, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you propose this in terms of diffs to the current draft so it is glaringly obvious what the proposal means? Sure. Also, I think this diffs to current draft can be most useful for all proposals as it cuts through the various semantic

RE: [PROPOSAL] bare response / bare request

2006-10-06 Thread Recordon, David
Well that is something that if the spec dictates where to place/format a request nonce, an IdP could recognize and remove it. I do agree though that it is getting close to having too many implications. --David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [PROPOSAL] bare response / bare request

2006-10-06 Thread Kevin Turner
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 16:34 -0700, Drummond Reed wrote: Let me play the dumb customer here and say: * A whole lot of real-world users would love OpenID-enabled bookmarks. * A whole lot of websites would love to offer them. * A whole lot of IdPs would love to provide them. Okay Customer, if

RE: [PROPOSAL] bare response / bare request

2006-10-06 Thread Drummond Reed
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 16:34 -0700, Drummond Reed wrote: Let me play the dumb customer here and say: * A whole lot of real-world users would love OpenID-enabled bookmarks. * A whole lot of websites would love to offer them. * A whole lot of IdPs would love to provide them. Kevin Turner

Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-06 Thread Drummond Reed
At David's suggestion, to make it easier to follow, I've posted what I believe is a consolidated delegate proposal at: http://www.lifewiki.net/openid/ConsolidatedDelegationProposal This incorporates Josh's original, Martin's, Josh's amendment, and my amendment to Josh's. Josh and

Re[2]: [PROPOSAL] bare response / bare request

2006-10-06 Thread Chris Drake
KT On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 16:34 -0700, Drummond Reed wrote: Let me play the dumb customer here and say: * A whole lot of real-world users would love OpenID-enabled bookmarks. * A whole lot of websites would love to offer them. * A whole lot of IdPs would love to provide them. KT Okay