PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Motivating use cases: 1) The IdP would like to remember what the user has said a given RP can and can't do. The IdP needs a unique identifier for the RP. openid.realm is a wild card that could match multiple RPs. openid.return_to is a URL that has no guarantee is being used again by the sa

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
btw: this came up as we were working to implement an IdP ... so it is a real requirement, happy to learn how others dealt with this and if there is a different way to resolve On 18-Oct-06, at 12:06 AM, Dick Hardt wrote: > Motivating use cases: > > 1) The IdP would like to remember what the us

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-18 Thread Mike Glover
I'm having trouble envisioning a situation where realm is an insufficient key for authentication purposes. If this isn't for authentication purposes, it absolutely needs to live in an extension. IMO. -mike On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:06:42 -0700 Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Motivati

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-19 Thread Martin Atkins
Dick Hardt wrote: > > The IdP needs a unique identifier for the RP. > openid.realm is a wild card that could match multiple RPs. This was by design. An RP that is exposing multiple "RP endpoints" within the same realm is explicitly saying that it needs/wants them all to be treated the same.

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-19 Thread Dick Hardt
On 19-Oct-06, at 12:29 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: > Dick Hardt wrote: >> >> The IdP needs a unique identifier for the RP. >> openid.realm is a wild card that could match multiple RPs. > > This was by design. An RP that is exposing multiple "RP endpoints" > within the same realm is explicitly saying

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-19 Thread Martin Atkins
Dick Hardt wrote: > > Agreed that it is desirable to have multiple RP endpoints for an RP. > Does openid.realm then uniquely identify an RP? ie. no other RP will > use the same Realm? > I'd say that if two endpoints are within the same realm that they are by definition part of the same RP.

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 19-Oct-06, at 10:24 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: > Dick Hardt wrote: >> >> Agreed that it is desirable to have multiple RP endpoints for an RP. >> Does openid.realm then uniquely identify an RP? ie. no other RP will >> use the same Realm? >> > > I'd say that if two endpoints are within the same re

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-22 Thread Martin Atkins
Dick Hardt wrote: > > The issue here is that realm is an overloaded parameter. It is being > presented to the user for the user to decide if it wants to IdP to > provide similar results to any RP return_to that matches the > wildcard. It is also being used by the IdP to uniquely identify the

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 22-Oct-06, at 10:44 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: > Dick Hardt wrote: >> >> The issue here is that realm is an overloaded parameter. It is being >> presented to the user for the user to decide if it wants to IdP to >> provide similar results to any RP return_to that matches the >> wildcard. It is a

Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 22-Oct-06, at 12:55 PM, Recordon, David wrote: > In the case where there are two realms: > http://*.livejournal.com > http://dick.livejournal.com > > I would have my IdP treat them as separate relying parties. If the RP > directly decided to set the realm differently, then I'd imagine the > a

RE: PROPOSAL: RP identifier

2006-10-22 Thread Recordon, David
David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Hardt Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:51 PM To: Martin Atkins Cc: specs@openid.net Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: RP identifier On 22-Oct-06, at 10:44 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: > Dick Hardt wrote: >>