Re: [Spice-devel] Spice for commercial use

2013-03-07 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 01:10 -0800, spice-devel-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 06:24:34 -0800 From: Tom Holmes tomhol...@live.com To: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: [Spice-devel] Spice for commercial use Message-ID:

Re: [Spice-devel] [PATCH spice-server 00/28] adaptive video streaming

2013-02-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
snip Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:08:41 -0500 (EST) From: Marc-Andr? Lureau mlur...@redhat.com To: Yonit Halperin yhalp...@redhat.com Cc: spice-de...@freedesktop.org Subject: Re: [Spice-devel] [PATCH spice-server 00/28] adaptivevideo streaming Message-ID:

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 11:49 +0200, David Jaša wrote: John A. Sullivan III píše v Čt 13. 09. 2012 v 12:36 -0400: On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 20:16 +0430, Mohsen Saeedi wrote: John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com wrote on Thu, 13 snip We have also been toying

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 16:55 +0300, Itamar Heim wrote: On 09/14/2012 03:28 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: ... Moreover, all instances in memory only take the space of one instance. Thus, we get deduplication and KSM almost for free. oVirt (RHEV) runs KSM only when the host memory

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-13 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 08:06 -0400, Alon Levy wrote: Hi Mohsen, multiple sessions to the single VM are not on the roadmap. There is experimental multi-client support but it is to make more users see the same session. Moshen, I misunderstood. In this case, I guess I don't

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-13 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 20:16 +0430, Mohsen Saeedi wrote: John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com wrote on Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:38:11 -0400: On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 08:06 -0400, Alon Levy wrote: Hi Mohsen, multiple sessions to the single VM are not on the roadmap

Re: [Spice-devel] Any Volunteers to rewrite spice by Object-C

2012-08-07 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 10:23 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 12:19:00AM +0200, David Jaša wrote: Hi, out of curiosity - what purpose would such rewrite serve? If is is Mac OS X port, This would likely be useful to run on iOS. snip Are there any problems with

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance of Xspice - some results, and a potential patch

2012-08-07 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 08:08 -0500, Jeremy White wrote: I don't know what were the network conditions you tested, but it would be great if you could repeat your test with lower bandwidth (you can use tc), and also, you can try disabling off-screen surfaces in the driver. I do have a test

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance of Xspice - some results, and a potential patch

2012-08-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 15:12 -0500, Jeremy White wrote: snip For a test involving 5 minutes of light use of LibreOffice, the results are as follows: Packets Bytes Xspice148,428 19,647,168 Tight VNC 19,980 4,724,880 SSH -X

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance of Xspice - some results, and a potential patch

2012-08-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 15:52 -0500, Jeremy White wrote: snip I'm very encouraged to hear this as we are very, very interested in SPICE as a WAN protocol. We have noticed that the end user experience is almost as dependent upon latency as bandwidth so I was a little concerned that you are

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-28 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 12:59 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:29:23AM +0200, Attila Sukosd wrote: Low latency (and relatively low bandwidth) video streaming can be done with x264 and xvid (low enough for a 3d game to be playable over the net) However, it introduces

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-28 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 12:59 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:29:23AM +0200, Attila Sukosd wrote: Low latency (and relatively low bandwidth) video streaming can be done with x264 and xvid (low enough for a 3d game to be playable over the net) However, it introduces

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-05-24 at 07:28 -0400, Yaniv Kaul wrote: - Original Message - I need to improve the performance of the xf86-video-qxl driver; aka xspice; by a fairly substantial margin. What performance characteristic would you like to improve? 1. Performance over WAN (high latency

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-05-24 at 20:38 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: snipWhat OS your client has? When spice-server identifies WAN, it automatically turn on Nagle's for the display channel (turns off TCP_NODELAY), which should aggregate small tcp messages. However, it has bad interaction with the

Re: [Spice-devel] Delay in Gimp when using qxl driver

2012-01-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 10:44 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 08:06:40AM +0100, Dominique Rodrigues wrote: Hi, Since I use qxl driver in virtual desktop powered by qemu-kvm, I found a strange problem with Gimp. After launching Gimp, open a new windows, and then try to

Re: [Spice-devel] access local files and folder from remote VM

2011-12-31 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 10:57 +0800, Charles.Tsai-蔡清海-工程部 wrote: Hi John, Thank you for information. I searched the information of sshfs. In Microsoft windows, I found an open source for it and it is basically a user mode file system. As for the X2GO, it is basically a remote desktop

Re: [Spice-devel] access local files and folder from remote VM

2011-12-26 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-12-26 at 14:28 +0800, Charles.Tsai-蔡清海-工程部 wrote: All, I am wondering if SPICE allows a remote VM to access local files or folder as RDP does. In RDP, the local files or folder can be accessed by the remote desktop if it is configured. But I do not find such a feature

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance over VPN

2011-12-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 17:28 +0100, Frédéric Grelot wrote: This sounds like you have mouse in server mode. Install spice-vdagent in the guest, make sure it is running and pleaser report back if it solved things for you You can also (in addition to that) force image compression by

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.1 spice-protocol 0.9.0

2011-09-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 13:49 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 01:30:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 11:52 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:59:14AM +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 03:44

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.1 spice-protocol 0.9.0

2011-09-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 11:52 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:59:14AM +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 03:44:58PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: * Multi-client support, disabled by default (experimental!) set the environment variable

Re: [Spice-devel] Error compiling Spice

2011-07-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 11:20 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:09:01AM +0200, Andrea Celestino wrote: I have downloaded from git the spice code, the spice protocol and pixman. I have installed pixman first then the protocol and finally the spice server and

Re: [Spice-devel] Missing key and mouse release events

2011-07-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 11:00 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 03:47:30AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. This is happening enough now that I don't think it is my imagination. It seems that SPICE sometimes either does not detect that I have released a key

[Spice-devel] Missing key and mouse release events

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. This is happening enough now that I don't think it is my imagination. It seems that SPICE sometimes either does not detect that I have released a key or is slow in doing so. On quite a number of occasions, my input started behaving strangely. Menu options would not work, it appeared

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 19:13 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: Hi All, I'm happy to announce the first 0.9.x spice development release 0.9.0. This release is in preparation to a 0.10.0 release in sync with Fedora 16 freeze schedule (ish). Not much new, but a lot of code churn. Major changes in

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 20:14 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:43:05PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 19:13 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: Hi All, I'm happy to announce the first 0.9.x spice development release 0.9.0. This release

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 02:34 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 06:16:35PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 23:41 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: snip I don't think there is *that* much difference between 0.8 and 0.9 - if you want to see the improvement

Re: [Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-07-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 11:38 +0200, Andrea Celestino wrote: Talking about improving streaming video in spice, I am working on a thesis project about Spice, in particular how it handles streaming video, only in Linux. In particular I would like to know if there are possibilities to improve

[Spice-devel] Traces of BSOD, lost mouse scroll events, performance issues

2011-07-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Thanks to Yaniv, I have nice new .deb packages for Wireshark 1.6.1 including the SPICE dissector. These were a pain to create because of some errors in the Wireshark tarball so, if anyone would like them or the source, please let me know (sorry RPMers!). In any event, I was able to

[Spice-devel] Traces of performance issues

2011-07-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
As mentioned in my last email, I have taken several traces revealing performance issues, BSOD, and lost mouse scroll events. Performance still seems to be a function of bandwidth. We are being detected as low bandwidth: main_channel_handle_parsed: net test: latency 52.512000 ms, bitrate 4826250

Re: [Spice-devel] 0.10.x status / plans for spice for Fedora 16

2011-07-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 12:50 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36:39AM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi All, *bump* I think it is still not sure what the plan is. AFAIK we're almost done with getting a 0.8.2 which has the async + s3 patches in out the door. I

Re: [Spice-devel] Our current open issues

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 10:13 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 07/20/2011 05:31 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. I know I've raised a large number of issues over the last few weeks most of which are still open. I'd like to summarize them here and ask for your direction on how we can

Re: [Spice-devel] Spice QXL Driver does not work for Windows 7

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 12:04 +0200, Mario wrote: I was finally able to get them to work. Here is what I did under both W7 and W2K8: Download and install the WinQual toolkit: https://winqual.microsoft.com/member/SubmissionWizard/controls/WinqualSubmissionTool.msi This is to obtain

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 22:05 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Very

Re: [Spice-devel] Our current open issues

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 22:31 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. I know I've raised a large number of issues over the last few weeks most of which are still open. I'd like to summarize them here and ask for your direction on how we can further troubleshoot and resolve them

Re: [Spice-devel] Spice QXL Driver does not work for Windows 7

2011-07-19 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 12:48 +0200, Mario wrote: Alon, first of all thanks a lot for your quick reply. Theoretical my Windows Instance should also load unsigned drivers as I enabled the Test Mode of Windows 7. However to make it a bit more clear please let me describe step by step

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-19 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John On Sun, 2011

[Spice-devel] Our current open issues

2011-07-19 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I know I've raised a large number of issues over the last few weeks most of which are still open. I'd like to summarize them here and ask for your direction on how we can further troubleshoot and resolve them, in other words, how can we as integrators rather than programmers help.

Re: [Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-07-13 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:57 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 04:29:50PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:39 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:08:43PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Since we were having some trouble as just

Re: [Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-11 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 07:43 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 13:23 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: John A. Sullivan III wrote: snip We've made considerable progress. We do not have VS2008 as we are not a Windows shop and I assume in my Windows ignorance that that's

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-11 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John On Sun, 2011

Re: [Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 13:23 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: John A. Sullivan III wrote: snip We've made considerable progress. We do not have VS2008 as we are not a Windows shop and I assume in my Windows ignorance that that's a paid licensed product so we'd have track which of us could work

Re: [Spice-devel] RFC: Render support in the protocol

2011-07-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:38 +0200, Soeren Sandmann wrote: RENDER is a very commonly used X extension that currently is not supported very well in SPICE. This leads to the QXL X driver having to read back pixels from the device, render in software, then transmit an image. This is currently the

Re: [Spice-devel] Possible Windows vdagent problems

2011-07-05 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 09:44 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: Hi John, See my comments below. Arnon John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. I'm spinning this off of the Unfair Comparisons with RDP thread as that one is getting a bit long. However, in it, Yaniv identified that we were

Re: [Spice-devel] Possible Windows vdagent problems

2011-07-05 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 12:31 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 09:44 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: Hi John, See my comments below. Arnon John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. I'm spinning this off of the Unfair Comparisons

Re: [Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-05 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 09:35 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: Hi John, See my comments below. Arnon John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. Being a Windows ignoramus, I am having a nightmare of a time compiling the Windows client on our Windows 7 build system. I'll recount them for other

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:38 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 10:10 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM

[Spice-devel] spicec or spice-gtk

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Which client should one use? I'm a little confused reading the documentation version looking at the download page. http://spice-space.org/page/DeveloperStartPage says, client - this is the old spice client. It is still supported but is being phased out in favor of a new widgetized gtk/glib based

[Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Being a Windows ignoramus, I am having a nightmare of a time compiling the Windows client on our Windows 7 build system. I'll recount them for other ignorami and to ask for help for the things I could not figure out. I installed the Windows SDK 7.1 and it installed without compilers

[Spice-devel] Possible Windows vdagent problems

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I'm spinning this off of the Unfair Comparisons with RDP thread as that one is getting a bit long. However, in it, Yaniv identified that we were not using vdagent in our Windows guest based upon the packet traces we submitted. That sounded plausible as we have noticed the agent

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 12:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 13:43 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 07:24:59AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 12:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 09:30 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: - Original Message - From: Alon Levy al...@redhat.com To: John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com Cc: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 1:43:44 PM Subject: Re: [Spice-devel

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM definitions for SPICE and TSPlus thus

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:32 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: We are a managed service provider so we are prohibited from offering Windows 7. We are only allowed to license Windows Server 2008 under SPLA licensing hence the choice

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:37 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:42:55PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:21 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv

Re: [Spice-devel] [OT] Info on netkvm usability for win7 guest on rh el 6.1

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:57 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: Hello, I'm going to open an official information ticket with RH, but eventually I can get information here too, at least for common usage. I have rh el 6.1 hypervisor. In KVM Guest VM compatibility section, the

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:48 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: If I'm correct, you still have some piece of spice in your enhanced RDP environment too. Can you confirm that in your guest definition you maintain video model type='qxl' heads='1'/ address type='pci' domain='0x'

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:00 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM definitions for SPICE and TSPlus thus the TSPlus environment is using the QXL driver. Would we expect

Re: [Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:39 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:08:43PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Since we were having some trouble as just outlined on our Windows tests, we thought we would let SPICE put its best foot forward and try a Fedora 15 guest running

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: - Original Message - snip Hello, all. I've been using both RDP via TSPlus and SPICE for over a week now

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:21 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-29 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 11:40 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 15:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:36:26PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As we put SPICE head to head

Re: [Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-06-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. Andrea Celestino was kind enough to email me off list about streaming video performance as reducing SPICE bandwidth consumption for streaming video is his project as a Computer Engineering student. He agreed that I could repost our conversation

Re: [Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-06-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 00:14 +0200, David Jaša wrote: Dne 27.6.2011 20:45, John A. Sullivan III napsal(a): On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 08:32 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: Licensing and patent concerns of x264 aside (see http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/x264-devel/2010-July/007508.html), the more

[Spice-devel] Is Nagle disabled?

2011-06-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I put on my network engineer hat today and started doing packet traces of SPICE to see what we could do from a systems perspective to reduce the perceived latency. SPICE does not appear to be fragmenting - in fact the do not fragment bit is set so I assume we are doing MTU discovery

Re: [Spice-devel] Current status of XSpice driver

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 18:01 +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote: Hi, I'd like to ask about the current and future status of the XSpice driver for Xorg. I am very interested in virtualizing desktops for a bunch of users without the need of a full-blown virtual machine. I once compiled the

Re: [Spice-devel] Current status of XSpice driver

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 20:38 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 06:01:27PM +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote: Hi, I'd like to ask about the current and future status of the XSpice driver for Xorg. I am very interested in virtualizing desktops for a bunch of users without

Re: [Spice-devel] Current status of XSpice driver

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 20:38 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 06:01:27PM +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote: Hi, I'd like to ask about the current and future status of the XSpice driver for Xorg. I am very interested in virtualizing desktops for a bunch of users without

[Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As we put SPICE head to head with the TSPlus implementation of RDP, SPICE seems to be coming up a bit short and I expect it is somewhat unfairly so. It appears that RDP starts painting the screen sooner that SPICE does and so it

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: snip Thank you very much for the explanation. It's pretty much what I expected - that the codec is different, trading CPU efficiency for bandwidth inefficiency and I certainly understand the reasons why. Is there any thought or plan to

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:01 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:56:28AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: snip Thank you very much for the explanation. It's pretty much what I expected - that the codec is different

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 23:49 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:44:40PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:01 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:56:28AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:27 +0200, Alon Levy

[Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. This isn't a critical question so please do not take lots of time to answer it unless it would be a helpful general discussion. We are still trying to properly set our expectations about video streaming using SPICE on low bandwidth networks. Indeed, this is our principle interest in

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 01:46 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 07:33:58PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: Hello, all. This isn't a critical question so please do not take lots of time to answer it unless it would be a helpful general discussion. We are still trying

Re: [Spice-devel] nographic option

2011-06-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 15:06 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: - Original Message - From: John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com To: spice-de...@freedesktop.org Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:14:19 PM Subject: [Spice-devel] nographic option Hello, all. I was a little

[Spice-devel] Video buffering

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. We spent some time testing audio and video performance with SPICE today with mixed results. Talking heads and some movement were reasonably acceptable. However we tried some music and ballet videos to get lots of movement and the results were unusable - Rite of Spring was more like

Re: [Spice-devel] Video buffering

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
, John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com wrote: Hello, all. We spent some time testing audio and video performance with SPICE today with mixed results. Talking heads and some movement were reasonably acceptable. However we tried some music and ballet videos to get lots

[Spice-devel] SPICE and libjpeg-turbo

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
As I think about tweaking video performance, I wonder if libjpeg-turbo would help at all. We installed on a Fedora 15 KVM host from RPM. Are those compiled against libjpeg or libjpeg-turbo? I'd imagine to take advantage of libjpeg-turbo, we'd need it on both sides of the connection. I'm

[Spice-devel] nographic option

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I was a little surprised to see in http://spice-space.org/page/Running that qemu is invoked with the -nographic option. Later documents do not have that in their examples. Is there any advantage to invoking it? Thanks - John ___

Re: [Spice-devel] Video buffering

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 17:48 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: Hi John, Could you please specify more your setup? Maybe It would be useful to know more about your setup so that we have better idea and can reproduce easier. The best is to know in what setup you observe particular problems. I

Re: [Spice-devel] Installation on ubuntu 11.04 (i386) fails

2011-06-17 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:46 +0800, 王永博 wrote: why dose the spice only support 64-bit system ? I can't use spice in ubuntu 11.04 (i386). http://www.spice-space.org/faq.html May we trouble you to change the subject and trim out all the unnecessary text when you reply to a mailing list digest

Re: [Spice-devel] synchronous io considered harmful

2011-06-17 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:34 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 06/16/11 21:21, Alon Levy wrote: Hi, I just had a short conversation with Marc-Andre about a bug in spice/qxl and it turns out there are a couple of possible solutions and I require some more input. The problem: spice was

Re: [Spice-devel] Spice-devel Digest, Vol 17, Issue 28

2011-06-17 Thread John A. Sullivan III
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Re: [Spice-devel] Windows QXL driver - low pixel depth, low resolution, laggard mouse

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:54 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:42:07AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:35:57PM +0100, Damien Churchill wrote: On 15 June 2011 21:11, --[ UxBoD ]-- ux

Re: [Spice-devel] Windows QXL driver - low pixel depth, low resolution, laggard mouse

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:50 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:42:07AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:35:57PM +0100, Damien Churchill wrote: On 15 June 2011 21:11, --[ UxBoD ]-- ux

Re: [Spice-devel] Windows QXL driver - low pixel depth, low resolution, laggard mouse

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:54 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:42:07AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:35:57PM +0100, Damien Churchill wrote: On 15 June 2011 21:11, --[ UxBoD ]-- ux

Re: [Spice-devel] Windows QXL driver - low pixel depth, low resolution, laggard mouse

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 10:22 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:54 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:42:07AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:35:57PM +0100, Damien

Re: [Spice-devel] Windows QXL driver - low pixel depth, low resolution, laggard mouse

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 10:22 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:54 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:42:07AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:35:57PM +0100, Damien

Re: [Spice-devel] Windows QXL driver - low pixel depth, low resolution, laggard mouse

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 11:19 -0400, Yaniv Kaul wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 10:22 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: SNIP snip The first test of the signed drivers was on W2K8. Then it struck me that they might be signed specifically for W7 so I tried

[Spice-devel] Adaptive video compression by default?

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. One of the technologies which completely intrigued us about SPICE is the adaptive video compression. We thought HP had the lock on that! Is that enabled by default? We are trying to stay with Fedora 15 out of the box as much as possible so are running libvirt 0.8.8 and I do not

Re: [Spice-devel] Adaptive video compression by default?

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:42 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: - Original Message - From: John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com To: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:34:49 PM Subject: [Spice-devel] Adaptive video compression by default

Re: [Spice-devel] Windows QXL driver - low pixel depth, low resolution, laggard mouse

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:22 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 10:22 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 15:54 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 01:42:07AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:34 +0200, Alon

Re: [Spice-devel] Adaptive video compression by default?

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 13:50 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: snip So I am assuming our version of libvirt does not support those parameters and thus we are using defaults. What are the defaults? No great pressure for anyone to answer unless one knows it off the top of their head. We'll

Re: [Spice-devel] Using Windows 7 qxl

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 00:35 +0800, 王永博 wrote: how to use qxl driver in windows 7 . win7 also choose zhe standar vga driver itself . and say that is zhe best and newest. snip I assume this is the question you are asking from the digest. We followed the instructions at

Re: [Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 11:26 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: - Original Message - From: John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com To: Alon Levy al...@redhat.com Cc: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:54:17 PM Subject: Re: [Spice-devel

Re: [Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 23:00 +0100, --[ UxBoD ]-- wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 11:26 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: - Original Message - From: John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com To: Alon Levy al...@redhat.com Cc: spice-devel

[Spice-devel] Meaning of compression settings in qemu

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I did take Marian's advice and peruse the qemu man page but, after lots and lots of Internet searching and document reading, I'm not quite clear on exactly what the compression settings mean in qemu. This is important to us as we need to optimize for an entirely WAN based environment.

[Spice-devel] Windows agent constantly stops responding

2011-06-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Following on my previous email and the same configuration, we notice the Windows Agent constantly stops. We will connect once or twice and then it fails. If we RDP to the Windows guest, it says the service is running but, if we restart it, it now works . . . for a little while. Any

[Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-06-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Since we were having some trouble as just outlined on our Windows tests, we thought we would let SPICE put its best foot forward and try a Fedora 15 guest running on a Fedora 15 KVM host. When it worked, it was amazing. However, most of the time, the system was barely responsive and the X

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