[spring] Please count the SRv6 for Mobile work [was Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion]

2018-03-22 Thread Satoru Matsushima
Hello SPRING folks, Let me share an ongoing work in DMM WG that makes SRv6 to be able to provide mobility management path on user plane: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane So please count it when you consider rechartering. But it doesn’t mean that SPRING WG is requir

Re: [spring] What is "TE" and the rechartering discussion

2018-03-22 Thread Ruediger.Geib
Hi Adrian, sure, I hope we'll soon see a fairly well defined revised Spring charter. If "Spring policy routing" isn't sufficiently well defined for the new charter, let's improve that (without writing a book, though..). I think success of any WG depends on a charter (or framework) defining the

Re: [spring] What is "TE" and the rechartering discussion

2018-03-22 Thread Robert Raszuk
Adrian, > and not accidentally throw the door open to everyone who can claim that > their idea fits within the undefined term. My personal preference is to leave the door (or even gates) wide open for new work based on new technology as we as humans are quite bad in predicting the future and poss

Re: [spring] What is "TE" and the rechartering discussion

2018-03-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Ruediger, Our agreement may be so complete that we may get mistaken for each other in the corridor. Using a different name for different things is wise. Of course, using a different name for the same thing is not so clever :-) So digging a little to make sure we know what each group is talkin

Re: [spring] What is "TE" and the rechartering discussion

2018-03-22 Thread Ruediger.Geib
Hi Adrian, that's a fair proposal, I think. In addition, it may help to avoid the term "Traffic Engineering" when rechartering Spring. Spring needs to recharter now. I didn't see any emails on the list which advised against Spring policy routing and the related OAM mechanisms as future work ite

[spring] What is "TE" and the rechartering discussion

2018-03-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
There *might* be some disconnect between: - What TEAS means by "TE" - What TEAS is perceived to mean by "TE" - What Spring means by "TE" - What Spring is perceived to mean by "TE" An option (although it would slow the discussion a bit - it might speed it in the long term) would be to try to clarif

[spring] IETF Guidelines for Conduct

2018-03-22 Thread bruno.decraene
Hi all, Technical discussion and technical disagreement is fine. However, during such discussion we expect respect and courtesy to IETF colleagues at all times. In general, I'd like to remind the following guidelines from https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp54 1. IETF participants extend respect

[spring] 答复: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion

2018-03-22 Thread Lizhenbin
The SR-TE policy work has been done for a long time in SRPING WG. In addition though the name is a little misleading, I would like to remind you of the work of the draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-02 which has much relation with the draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 in SPRI

Re: [spring] Couple comments on draft-ali-spring-bfd-sr-policy

2018-03-22 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Ketan, much obliged by you kind comment on BFD Directed work. The issue with IP network convergence is the reason we've started work to enable optional control of the reverse path of BFD session over p2p MPLS LSP. My concern with the current text of draft-ali-spring-bfd-sr-policy is that the con

Re: [spring] [**EXTERNAL**] Re: SPRING - rechartering discussion

2018-03-22 Thread stefano previdi
SPRINGers, > On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: > > Hi all, > > I totally agree with Mach, Jeff and others that there is work to be done in > OAM as there are more requirements to use SR for both existing and emerging > applications. > > SR-TE is another important area. T