Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-16 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Jeff, actually the paragraph just before "Otherwise, drop the packet" reads: * Else, if there are other usable next hops, use them to forward the incoming packet. The method by which the router "R0" decides on the possibility of using other next hops is beyond the scope of this docu

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-11 Thread Gyan Mishra
Jeff I am in agreement that drop should be the default behavior in this case where ldp is broken and unable to forward due to unlabeled fec. As of the last many years most vendors and best practice of any MPLS implementations is to have knobs to change the default behavior. That being said you w

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-09 Thread Jeff Tantsura
I’m with Bruno here, and the spec is quite clear on the behavior expected (implementors, please speak up). Given variability and interdependencies in use cases, I’d say, drop should be (and de-jure it is) the default behavior, and if someone wants their vendor of choice to implement a knob to ch

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Martin Yes MPLS has definitely been a learning curve for operators as especially with LDP-IGP sync, session protection and RLFA LDP tunnel in failure scenarios. In that context of the dropped question with LDP-IGP sync on unlabeled FEC the packets would not get dropped and would take a differe

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread bruno.decraene
Hi Martin, > From: spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > Horneffer > > Hello everyone, > > may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little: > > In case an SR-MPLS path is broken, should a node rather drop the packet, > or forward it? > > This

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
rd packets without a labelled route, you need to make sure that this protection remains. Regards, Jakob. -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:35 AM To: spring@ietf.org Subject: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Q

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Gyan, we had this kind of issue since the rise of LDP and the invention of the BGP free core. In a larger network, every now and then. Some years later the notions of setting up targeted LDP sessions solved some part of the issue. Some more years later, IGP-LDP synchronization indeed solve

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Tarek, 1) it's a good question what to do label stack has more than one label left, e.g. more SR-MPLS segments. Or a service label. Or both... So far I was considering two possibilities: a) Only one label is dumped. In case of SR-MPLS this means that one sgement can be skipped. In case of a

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-30 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Martin That is a very common scenario that occurs where one path where LDP neighbor has lost its label binding for FEC destinations. Most providers don’t label all prefixes and only label interesting traffic meaning FEC destination which is the egress endpoint loopback iBGP peers for an LSP.

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-29 Thread Tarek Saad
Hi Martin, See inline for some comments. On 8/27/20, 6:35 AM, "spring on behalf of Martin Horneffer" wrote: Hello everyone, may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little: In case an SR-MPLS path is broken, should a node rather drop the packet,

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-28 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
to forward packets without a labelled route, you need to make sure that this protection remains. Regards, Jakob. -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:35 AM To: spring@ietf.org Subject: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Q

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-28 Thread Martin Horneffer
SF 原始邮件 *发件人:*MartinHorneffer *收件人:*spring@ietf.org ; *日 期 :*2020年08月27日 18:35 *主 题 :**[spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)* Hello everyone, may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little: In case an SR-MPLS path is broken, should a n

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-28 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hi Robert, the setup I sketched does not cover double failures nor 100 % of all topological cases for forwarding. And in fact, forwarding the traffic is not the main purpose. The main purpose it to DETECT the failure in a useful way. For the same reason we would sure not want to add yet anoth

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-27 Thread peng.shaofu
原始邮件 发件人:MartinHorneffer 收件人:spring@ietf.org ; 日 期 :2020年08月27日 18:35 主 题 :[spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660) Hello everyone, may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little: In case an SR-MPLS path is broken, should

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-27 Thread Robert Raszuk
Martin, > it follows an IGP default route to a central device, So putting aside that such default must point domian wide to the same address (could be anycast if you are careful) once this "central device" receives a packet and does a BGP full table lookup it will again try to encapsulate it in M

Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-27 Thread Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
Hi Martin, I share your position. Thanks, Ketan -Original Message- From: spring On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer Sent: 27 August 2020 16:05 To: spring@ietf.org Subject: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660) Hello everyone, may I come back the the question

[spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

2020-08-27 Thread Martin Horneffer
Hello everyone, may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little: In case an SR-MPLS path is broken, should a node rather drop the packet, or forward it? This can happen whenever the IGP points to a certain next hop, but that neither supplies a valid SID, nor allows