Ok guys I'm not familiar enough with power source requirements so looking for
guidance.
I have a client trying to some how get out of buying the Fire Pump with a
transfer switch.
This is located in Cambodia so it's not looking good. It's in the capital but
because I live here so I know they ha
Well Roland consider thisthe building code requires a rated door between
living space and a garage, but no requirement for a closer.
John Drucker
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From: Roland Huggins
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Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 15:47:31
To: SprinklerFORUM
Subject: Re: Thermal
That is my understanding (despite the fact that a door is not required to the
adjacent room). Never said it ad to be logical.
Roland
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
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On May
E.G like this:
5/.433=11.547 ft of head "h". From experiments: v=SQRT(2gh), so if you are
getting a 5 on the pitot gage it means the water is going
(2*32.2*11.547)^.5=27.27ft/sec. Now if we just knew what the reduction in the
effective square feet of the 2.5 orifice was, we could start calcing s
I just ran this very thing by the forum. The consensus was the barrier has to
isolate the shower enclosure from the wall cavity so the sheet rock would have
to be on both sides of the stud.
Ron F
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I'm looking for a quick sanity check. We are an A/E firm designing new college
dormitories. These dorms typically contain four bedroom suites with two
bathrooms in each suite. The 1987 edition of 2013 is applicable, and the
bathrooms are less than 55 square feet. In order to omit sprinklers
Hmmm.. I wonder if there is any way we can figure out how fast water would have
to be going to exert a velocity pressure of 5 psi? Could we slap ourselves on
the forehead and say Hey- the old Law of Falling Bodies works here. ?
> On May 15, 2014, at 11:06 AM, wrote:
>
> Tim, So based on 47 psi
That has always been understood but was stated in the 2013 ed (section 1.1.3)
to put a final nail in the coffin of that issue.
Roland
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
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On May 1
Can anyone out there explain why TIA 13-2 was issued? Without reading
it line-by-line, whatever revisions it contains seem pretty subtle.
Steve Leyton
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Tim, So based on 47 psi at one test valve and just a flow on the rest, what was
the pressure on the suction flange of the pump? Can't you just plot 1500 gpm on
flow test curve and subtract the friction and elevation losses between the
supply and pump?
Brian, Pitot the discharge for each outlet
Are you trying to determine a pressure so you can assign a k-factor to the test
header outlets?
Why not just put a fixed flow from each test connection outlet and then see
what the pressure is and how that compares to the pump rating?
Do you have a flow test showing what's going into the pump?
Ron,
In my case the EOR was worried about negative pressures on the suction
flange before the sprinkler contractor ordered the pump.
Regards,
G. Tim Stone
G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC
NICET Level III Engineering Technician
Fire Protection Sprinkler Design
and Consulting Services
Okay, what am I missing? There are gauges on the suction and discharge sides of
the pump, right?
Ron F
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:36 AM
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Brian,
I just performed this on a warehouse project with a diesel fire pump taking
suction from a municipal water supply. The EOR wanted to know the pressures
on the Suction Flange of the pump.
I started off with 375 GPM on each test header valve and assigned a pressure
of 47 PSI to one of the val
Why not just read the gauges on the pump?
Ron F
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:22 AM
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Subject: Test Header Calc
I'm running
I'm running a theoretical calc on a pump test header to try and determine if
the existing pump is running at or near its rating, there are (4) 2-1/2" hose
valves flowing 375 gallons each. The question I have is what pressure would be
plugged into the calc's for each valve? I have a test chart th
Bill,
I would suspect there could be an instances of multiple fires, in fact Dan
just mentioned one, but those are anomalous. I even suspect that there
could be likely cases where multiple fires could occur. That happens with
wild land fires in adjacent locales a lot, like San Diego right now, and
Hey all,
When you are calculating a manual standpipe, can you utilize the pump on the
truck along with city flow in your calculations? Typically I have always
just utilized the truck instead of adding the truck to city flow.
Thanks in advance!
BJ Newlin
Service Sales
Aegis Fire Protection LLC.
You can play "what-if" scenarios all day long. Some issues such as those
listed below were due to poor plant operations protocols. Storing hazardous
materials adjacent to the fire pump house doesn't meet the requirements of NFPA
20, 4.12.1 which states; "The fire pump, driver, controller, wate
Look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buncefield_fire
Gasoline tank leaked, the vapor entered the pump house and "boom".
The biggest UK conflagration since world war II.
It all depends on circumstances.
There were other cased of very bad fires where there was storage next to
water reservoir
Has anyone had a design which considered the possibility of a fire in a
diesel pump house simultaneous with a fire in the protected property?
(Buildings are adequately separated). The thought would be an upset
condition occurs with the pump while it is doing its job and a diesel fuel
fire is gener
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