Re: FM Approved 8.0 K spray nozzle

2014-07-10 Thread Brad Casterline
You could actually use standard sprinklers without them being over the top, but you would have to saw the deflectors off a little ways up the arms. You could have your axial verify your footprint pending Pressure's approval, and best of all, K would equal 8. ;), brad > On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:56

RE: FM Approved 8.0 K spray nozzle

2014-07-10 Thread Matt Grise
Ryan, Could this be an application for a Victaulic Vortex system? I have seen them advertised for this sort of industrial equipment protection application. It has an FM listing (not sure about this specific case). Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection 130

RE: FM Approved 8.0 K spray nozzle

2014-07-10 Thread RFletcher
8K spray nozzle is pretty odd device if you can't use standard spray sprinklers. Tyco D3's only go to 7.2K. I would talk to the FM rep about an alternative. I don't see why they would object If you can prove the impingement at the required density with smaller K Factor nozzles. Especially if non

RE: FM Approved 8.0 K spray nozzle

2014-07-10 Thread Brad Casterline
Did you look at Viking Model E? They have K=7.2, which is nominally close to 8.0. Looks like a wide range of angles too, and F.M. Approved! -Original Message- From: Hinson, Ryan [mailto:rhin...@burnsmcd.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:22 PM To: sprinklerfo...@firesprinkler.org Cc: Ha

FM Approved 8.0 K spray nozzle

2014-07-10 Thread Hinson, Ryan
A project we are working on appears to require FM approved 8.0K spray nozzles in a deluge system for protection of a boiler feed pump per FM Data Sheet 7-101 Steam Turbines and Electric Generators Section 2.4.2.C. This was mandated by a FM rep. The only one we can find is the BETE Type N. Its

Re: Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread Tony Liddic
Dewayne, That is precisely what is happening. This client builds the risers on site and doesn't use a premade manifold. Most of these jobs have at least 60 psi and some have over 90. For example, the last job has a flow test of 100 psi (static) / 84 psi (residual) @ 2350 gpm System demand is app

RE: Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread Martinez, Dewayne
Tony, Would flowing the inspectors test connection cause an excessive pressure drop in the gauge when it is located after the gauge? I know that this is not the case with a riser pack but on a normal riser it would be. Dewayne -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerf

Re: Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread IPA
I like it when they want to compare main drain residual pressure to the calcs on a 13D system which was designed only to a static pressure. You can pull the info from '13 and the handbook which explains the purpose of the main drain test and also the explanation for the calc plate which will have

Re: Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread Todd - Work
Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT www.fpdc.com 860-535-2080 (ofc) > On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Tony Liddic > wrote: > > There is a local AHJ that has recently started comparing the residual > pressure when the Inspector's Test Valve is opened to the Resid

RE: Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread Steele, Andrew
I would suggest running a quick calc showing the theoretical flow/pressure from the inspector's test and the residual pressure at the riser, and how that compares to the system demand. Or think of it this way, the inspectors test flow (via a single 1/2 outlet) should always be less than the syste

RE: Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread Bobby McCullough
I had this problem about 6 months ago & sent the following to the fire official. I have not heard from anyone so maybe it is resolved? I can email the attachments or post them for you to download. Bobby McCullough According to NFPA 25, 2011, an annual Main Drain Test is to be compared to the

RE: Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread Matt Grise
I have had that situation come up before. We could not convince the AHJ that the main drain test was not supposed to be a flow test check. The problem that we ran into was the fact that the gauge was on the downstream side of the BFP and our base of riser calc tag showed the other side. We had t

Inspector's Test Valve Residual Pressure

2014-07-10 Thread Tony Liddic
There is a local AHJ that has recently started comparing the residual pressure when the Inspector's Test Valve is opened to the Residual Pressure Demand on the Calc Plate. If the pressure drops below system demand pressure, they will not sign off on the final occupancy. The main problem stems from