RE: Manual Dry Standpipe

I have to disagree. In the 2019 edition there is an exception that was added to 7.5.1.1 . It allows the AHJ to waive the interconnection. Also see annex A . 7 . 5 in regards to interconnection. Thanks Pete Pete Schwab | Vice President of Purchasing and Engineering Technologies Wayne

RE: Hotel or Condo

s and one day in FL) that is definitely an apartment or R2. See NFPA 101 Apartment Building definition and Annex language A.3.3.37.3. Pete Schwab From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, February 17,

RE: ESFR & Obstruction in Light Hazard

The 2022 edition should have language that allows this unless it gets overturned by a CAM. See NFPA 13 2nd draft 14.2.7 (Second Revision 1129). From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Art Tiroly via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 1

RE: schedule 7 pipe?

used the "Schedule 7" 6" pipe nor used "Schedule 5". The cost difference in a competitive environment cannot be ignored. My opinion and not that of any organization Go Bucs Pete Schwab From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behal

RE: [EXTERNAL] 23.4.4.2.5: What is the purpose and how does it apply?

Behalf Of Pete Schwab via Sprinklerforum Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:32 AM To: 'sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org' Cc: Pete Schwab ; Sean.VanGaal Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] 23.4.4.2.5: What is the purpose and how does it apply? For the 2022 edition there has been some chang

RE: [EXTERNAL] 23.4.4.2.5: What is the purpose and how does it apply?

For the 2022 edition there has been some changes to this. Subject to next year's tech session of course. It passed ballot with no negatives. There is also a revised annex figure but I can't paste that into this email or it will get bounced. 28.2.4.2.5 Where the total design discharge from thes

FW: Are sprinklers required

This scenario is very common in hotel occupancies. In order to use NFPA 13R in the residential portions, there does not need to be a separation if the occupancy is accessory and is less than 10% of the floor area (508.2.3). If it exceeds 10% then proper separation is required by the IBC table 508

RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space

Better clarification should be in the 2022 edition…… Subject to ballot, nitmams, etc. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 2:25 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc

RE: Spacing ESFR-17 Sprinkler at new interior wall

they are the AHJ). On the other hand, there has been recent testing for ESFR obstructions and I would present that as an equivalency. I personally feel what you have will work fine Pete Schwab From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Richard

RE: NFPA 13 - mixing residential and QR sprinklers in dwelling units

NFPA 13 does not give guidance on mixing residential sprinklers and QR sprinklers in the same design area. This was discussed I believe in the 2016 NFPA 13 code development process. From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:04 AM To: sprinklerforum@lis

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: RE: PIV

Steve I have never seen one. Pete From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 5:08 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: RE: PIV Any suppliers or others on this thread that know if a backflow appliance can be ordered with a

RE: system modification hydro test

There was some attempt to rewrite these testing procedures during the 2019 process. Some for wet and some for dry. It didn’t really go anywhere but there definitely was a desire to see it changed based on conversations exactly like this. NFPA 13 is open for Public Inputs so fire away!! From: S

RE: Private Residential Garages

13 or 13R is a big difference. 2019 13R made changes in regards to garages classified as U occupancy. 1000 FT² and less can use residential From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 6:28 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Private Resi

RE: FPE / SFPE

I’m offended. See you Saturday night From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:21 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: FPE / SFPE The issue of unqualified engineers is an old song and dance that I don’t want to resurrect but th

RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS

I have to disagree with Steve on this one. The closets are less than 55 Sq Ft. Since the closet is separated most likely with drywall construction and with a 1500 SQ FT design area, I am not at all concerned with a fire starting in a closet and growing to the point of overwhelming a system desig

RE: 13R Test and Drain Question

I will agree with Larry on the analysis of what is allowed. If we do not use a manifold with the built in test and drain but have the sawn sprinkler, then the official drain line is restricted by the sawn sprinkler. Of the thousands of NFPA 13R installations we do like this, we have been only qu

RE: Metal C Channel joist combusitble concealed

Greg Are you asking if the combustible concealed sprinklers are acceptable for this scenario or are you trying to eliminate sprinklers in the space based on the metal C Channel joists. If the plywood is not FRT then this space requires protection unless it is less than 6" from top of channel to

RE: maximum sprinkler system sizes

I recommend that someone keep submitting a PI to increase the system size limitations. One cycle, the committee will go “hey” that is a great idea. I’ve seen it happen over the last 4 NFPA 13 cycles. Did I mention single point density…. DOH From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent:

RE: Case 00201286: Differing k-factors [ ref:_00D5077Vx._5005013w8og:ref ]

Well I disagree with Mr. Hague and you can bet there will be a Public Input submitted to NFPA 13 for 2022 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 65

RE: Mixing standard and quick response.

8.3.3.4 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com [cid:image001.jpg@01D3AEEA.52931EB0] I sl

RE: Shield for electrical equipment

This requirement has been removed in the 2019 edition. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com

RE: Deflector Distance for Sprinklers in Skylights

Bruce It was corrected in the 2016 edition. 8.5 applies to all types of sprinklers. 8.5.7 Skylights. 8.5.7.1 Sprinklers shall be permitted to be omitted from skylights not exceeding 32 ft2 (3.0 m2) in area, regardless of hazard classification, that are separated by at least 10 ft (3.0 m) horizont

RE: ESFR Calc Question - Obstructions

You calculate 12 only at the ceiling. Provided the branch line size is the same to any ESFR sprinklers under obstructions. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5

RE: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump

What is the height of the garage and what jurisdiction? Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com

RE: Partially sprinklered buildings

m-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Partially sprinklered buildings John I a

RE: Partially sprinklered buildings

John I am assuming this is in Florida? If so, Florida Statute 553.895 will require this building to be sprinklered because it is NOT a stand alone garage. Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobil

RE: [EXTERNAL] Interesting issue .. residential sprinklers ..

Remember, if the room/compartment is 800 Sq Ft or less, you can average the spacing of the residential sprinkler(s) over the room. It will not be starting at 67 PSI. [cid:image001.png@01D362B1.78DAB950] Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers

RE: FDC sizing on wet automatic standpipes

NFPA 14 requires that the piping to the FDC be sized to supply the system demand for manual and automatic standpipes. 7.7.1 is pretty clear and does not delineate between automatic or manual. Also see the 2016 edition section A.7.10.1.2. Just my opinion and not that of NFPA. 7.7 System Design a

RE: NFPA 13 8.17.5.2.2(1)

This was changed in NFPA 13 I believe for the 2019 edition. Or it was NFPA 14. Not sure but I do recall it changing because it made no sense if you hydraulically calculated it Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee

RE: Hose Valves at Horizontal Exits

Steve makes a good point. Look at the 2016 edition annex figure. The one in the 2013 edition is wrong. The foregoing is my opinion only and is not intended to represent the NFPA 14 Technical Committee, nor serve as an interpretation of the standard. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineerin

RE: Parking under 13R system

Dick I have to disagree with you. If there is a residential occupancy in a building, a sprinkler system shall be provided throughout the building. Pete 903.2.8 Group R. An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3 shall be provided throughout all buildings with a Grou

RE: Parking under 13R system

A definition of carport that mirrors the IBC will be added to the 2019 edition of NFPA 13R. (Barring any doubtful NITMAM). Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5

RE: Light Hazaed areas in NFPA 13R Building

Unfortunately that was the old way of looking at things. Check the annex (A.1) for NFPA 13R 2016 edition and the 2nd draft report of the 2019 edition of NFPA 13R. This light hazard area you refer to is it incidental to the residential occupancy? (10% or less of the floors area). If it exceeds 10

RE: Sloped Roof in ESFR system

http://www.firesprinkler.org<http://www.firesprinkler.org/> Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives On May 10, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Pete Schwab mailto:pe...@waynefire.com>> wrote: My concern would be what is the ceiling constructed of. If it is an acoustical tile ceiling with no clips I would

RE: Sloped Roof in ESFR system

My concern would be what is the ceiling constructed of. If it is an acoustical tile ceiling with no clips I would be concerned with the velocity of the fire plume popping tiles before operating a sprinkler. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinkle

RE: special inspections

m [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 8:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: special inspections Travis I wish more AHJ’s would require this. Then we mi

RE: special inspections

Travis I wish more AHJ’s would require this. Then we might see GC’s opt to go with Interstitial Sprinklers instead. Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-557

Roadway Boxes

I recall seeing a roadway valve box that was able to be tampered. Does anyone have this submittal data or link to it? Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570

RE: Sprinkler Protection on Balconies

orum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 10:47 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Sprinkler Protection on Balconies John I am going to have to start charging

RE: Covered Restaurant Seating Area

Steve is spot on. See committee statement below. [cid:image001.png@01D2B786.0BE9D460] Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefir

RE: Exterior projection 45 degree angle figure 8.15.7

For the 2019 edition of NFPA 13, this annex language has been removed from the standard. (First Draft). First of all it was simply that, annex. In that detail it showed dimensional requirements which is also not what the annex is intended for. Finally, the installation of a dry pendent sprinkler

RE: Balancing rack and ceiling systems - different types

I recommend reading the PI’s for the 2019 edition in regards to balancing and rack sprinklers. Also, if it is an FM project check their guidelines. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:55 PM To: spri

RE: NFPA 13 dry system - residential sprinklers

Ken Even though an earlier edition governs, standard of care from a liability issue would dictate not ignoring the 15 second requirement. Just my opinion Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile

RE: OBC, FBC, IBC / Standpipe Requirements

Bill Manual standpipes are still allowed in the State of Florida in non-high rise buildings. See Florida Statute 553.895. In Florida the hierarchy is Statute, Rule, Code and lastly Standards. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0553

RE: Storage <12'

The QR reduction does apply. The 2019 reorganization of NFPA 13 will make it very clear. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.wayne

RE: Committee Intention and Reducing Sprinklers' Pressure in a Combined Standpipe/Sprinkler System

I have to agree with Steve on this one. The NFPA process is open to anyone. It is quite easy to submit proposed changes. Unfortunately the Input stage for the 2019 edition has just closed. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capito

RE: Committee Intention and Reducing Sprinklers' Pressure in a Combined Standpipe/Sprinkler System

Sounds like we need an NFPA 14 Handbook. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of å... Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:56 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Committee Intention and Reducing Sprinklers' Pressure in a Comb

RE: Floor mounted obstructions - ORDINARY HAZ

soldering. Many of the national self-storage facility owners/builders understand that the top of storage must be 18” from the sprinkler deflector (Usually accomplished with chicken wire) . Pete Schwab My opinion only and not that of the NFPA or any of its committees From: Sprinklerforum

RE: Rack Storage Aisle Clarifications

Wait until the 2019 1st draft is published... Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com [ci

RE: Galvanized Pipe

Cecil If the job is NFPA 13R, NFPA 24 does not apply (See the scope below from NFPA 24) Your friend Pete 1.1.4 This standard shall not apply to underground mains serving sprinkler systems designed and installed in accordance with NFPA 13R that are less than 4 in. (100 mm) in nominal diameter. P

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

poses required by this section." Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com -Original Message----- From: P

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

See NFPA 13 2016 Edition A.11.1.4.2 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com -Original Message- From: Sprink

RE: Covered patios and decks in 13R

I am assuming that you are on the 2009 IBC. The code takes precedence over the standard. The sprinklers are required. 102.4 Referenced codes and standards. The codes and standards referenced in this code shall be considered part of the requirements of this code to the prescribed extent of each su

RE: pex for 13R

I am not aware of any Pex piping available for NFPA 13R. The Pex product cannot meet the 175 PSI requirement at higher temperatures. NFPA 13D allows 130 PSI at 120° which allows Pex. The only other plastic product listed (FM Approved) for fire protection that I am aware of is Aquatherm red pipe.

RE: question of procedure

NFPA 241 8.7.3 Sprinkler Protection. 8.7.3.1* If automatic sprinkler protection is to be provided, the installation shall be placed in service as soon as practicable. Practicable to me would not mean once the alarms are working or would it? Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technolog

RE: porte cochere

American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:14 AM, Pete Schwab wrote: > > Roland > I would disagree. Example Vents > Pete > > Peter Sc

RE: porte cochere

Roland I would disagree. Example Vents Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com -Original Message-

RE: ESFR Sprinklers and covered catwalks

2013 & 2016 editions no longer require calculating 2 additional ESFR's under obstructions. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.way

RE: AWWA classifications

Steve The FDC pressure does not have to be taken into account in regards to working pressure. 3.3.23 System Working Pressure. The maximum anticipated static (nonflowing) or flowing pressure applied to sprinkler system components exclusive of surge pressures and exclusive of pressure from the fire

RE: Monitoring 13D control valves in California

Remember that the options/arrangements are found in the Annex. This method of a single tap and backflow then feeding multiple single family dwellings (Townhomes) is a common arrangement here in Florida. It is up to the AHJ to accept it. Generally we do not provide an additional control valve in

RE: 13D installed in Townhouse?

Owen If the townhouse units are separated with the appropriate walls by the local building code, then yes 13D is acceptable. Beware that sometimes builders call apartments "townhomes". Check the platting to see if they are all individual lots. As for the water supply arrangement you mention, tha

RE: AHJ Powers

Look into CWSI if you have to add them Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com -Original Message- From: Spr

RE: Florida License Renewal

Florida Chapter of AFSA offers online training with Florida Contractor CEU's. I'm not sure if these are the online classes you are referring to. http://www.eticontinuinged.com/school/ AFSA Florida is also having a training conference in September with some excellent instructors (All Florida Co

RE: Question for Installation TC members

8.2.4 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforu

RE: Old dog, new tricks?

Also There is a meter study which created changes in the 2013 NFPA 13D. (see a below) http://www.nfpa.org/research/fire-protection-research-foundation/rss-feed-items/home-fire-sprinklers/residential-fire-sprinklers (4)*Pressure loss for a water meter, if any, shall be determined and deducted usin

RE: IBC question

See the 2013 edition of NFPA 13R. Intermediate throughout is allowed. 6.2.3.1* Sprinklers installed where maximum ambient ceiling temperatures do not exceed 100°F (38°C) shall be ordinary temperature-rated sprinklers or intermediate temperature- rated unless modified by 6.2.3.3. 6.2.3.3* The prac

RE: Plastics

Roland You are correct if you are dealing with a forward thinking AHJ that will accept FM as an alternative means and methods. Most AHJ's will insist that since it is in NFPA that is the protection scheme that must be used. I am hoping that for the 2019 edition, FM will open up some of its testi

RE: Plastics

There will be criteria in the 2016 edition 1. Revise section 17.2.3.5.6 to read as follows: 17.2.3.5.6 The minimum operating pressure shall be either 30 psi (2.0 bar) or 60 psi (4.1 bar) based upon the applicable storage and ceiling height for the installation as follows: a) 30 psi (2.0 bar) for

RE: Thrust block vs Restrainers - Underground

10.8.1.1 indicates an OR so either method is acceptable 10.8 Joint Restraint. 10.8.1 General. 10.8.1.1* All tees, plugs, caps, bends, reducers, valves, and hydrant branches shall be restrained against movement by using thrust blocks in accordance with 10.8.2 or restrained joint systems in accorda

RE: Air Venting in NFPA 13 (2016)

It should be in the 2016 edition unless someone successfully appeals to the Standards Council and they overturn the floor action (highly unlikely) Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-

RE: standpipes in fire separated building

If the piping supply is connected (common supply piping) then I would say you have to calculate until you reach 1250 GPM (since the garage is not sprinklered). 7.10.1.2.3* Common supply piping shall be calculated and sized to provide the required flow rate for all standpipes connected to such su

RE: 13R Valve Monitoring

Same here in Florida. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailt

RE: Recalled SPRINKLERS

fined term. Head is an expression of pressure, normally measured in feet and equal to .434 PSI/vertical foot. Note to Pete Schwab - we need to write a bunch of clean-up proposals to Chapter 22 for the 2019 ... SML -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bo

RE: Corridor shadow areas

Actually they were concerned that people would apply the shadow to obstructions such as ductwork vs. the 3 or 4 times rule. At least that is how I remember it Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile

Heat Tracing

I am searching for an installer of heat tracing (Listed for fire protection) in Florida If you have a contact you can share it is greatly appreciated. Thanks Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile:

RE: Roof Hydrant Valves - Multi-Story Building

Jeremy The 200 ft travel distance does not apply to the roof if it is not intended for occupancy Pete 7.3.2.2* Where the most remote portion of a nonsprinklered floor or story is located in excess of 150 ft (45.7 m) of travel distance from a hose connection in or adjacent to a required exit or th

RE: Relocate sprinklers with drops

Based on the 2nd draft, this is what the 2016 language will say unless it is Successfully NITMAM ed 6.2.1.1* When a sprinkler is removed from a fitting or welded outlet, it shall not be reinstalled except as permitted by 6.2.1.1.1. 6.2.1.1.1 Dry sprinklers shall be permitted to be reinstalle

RE: residential sidewall sprinklers

8.10.3.4 Residential sidewall sprinklers shall be permitted to be installed on opposing or adjacent walls, provided no sprinkler is located within the maximum protection area of another sprinkler or unless separated by baffles that comply with the following: (1) Baffles shall be arranged to protect

RE: What's YOUR response??

ment. Mixing them in this way means quick response has not been used throughout as is required by some building codes for various situations. The installation could wind up not building code compliant. Allan Seidel St. Louis, MO > On Dec 18, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Pete Schwab wrote: > &g

RE: What's YOUR response??

For the 2016 edition, the following language should appear 8.3.3.5 Where a sprinkler carries a listing for both standard-response protection and quick-response protection at different coverage areas, that sprinkler shall be permitted to be installed within a compartment at the spacing for both

RE: Hydraulic Placard

In states like Florida with a 2 tag system, a missing hydraulic placard is a deficiency and automatically gets a red tag. That really makes building owners happy. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mob

Floating Docks

Forum We have a project with a fixed dock connected to a floating dock. We need to install a hose connection on the floating dock. NFPA 303 allows flexible connections where approved by the AHJ. I am not sure that the Metraflex Connector will work for the 3-4 feet of tide variation. Does anyone

RE: Formality question

Brad, Steve is correct. As someone who submits many PI's, the intent is to improve the standard. The balance of the committee usually keeps biased Inputs from becoming code. Get involved. You don't have to be a member of NFPA to attend a committee meeting. You don't have to be a committee member

RE: Sprinklers on 3" Pipe

Cliff I recall we changed this in the 2013 edition. I do not have in front of me but check that edition as well. Pete Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, FL 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com We’re hiring great

RE: Residential Closets in NFPA 13 and... 101?

orum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:52 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Residential Closets in NFPA 13 and... 101? If you are on the 2007 edition of NFPA 13, see 21.20.19.2.1. This takes precedence over NFPA 13 based on 21.1.1.2. Pet

RE: Residential Closets in NFPA 13 and... 101?

If you are on the 2007 edition of NFPA 13, see 21.20.19.2.1. This takes precedence over NFPA 13 based on 21.1.1.2. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (4

RE: 6 Story Hotel

Allan Shafts are allowed between below and above the podium in a 2 hour shaft enclosure. Read the NFPA 13R 2013 Handbook supplement on podium buildings. Great information - written by Jeff Shapiro and Marshall Klein. Standpipes follow the height requirements regardless of the podium (30' highest

RE: 6 Story Hotel

age- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 11:08 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: 6 Story Hotel NFPA 13R 2013 Edition Chapter 4 General Requirements 4.1 Sprinklered Throughou

RE: 6 Story Hotel

NFPA 13R 2013 Edition Chapter 4 General Requirements 4.1 Sprinklered Throughout. A building provided with a fire sprinkler system designed and installed in accordance with the requirements of this standard, including its allowable omissions, shall be considered fully sprinklered throughout. Pete

RE: 8.15.1.2.1 and A8.15.1.2.1 NFPA 13 (2013)

It's a combustible concealed space. Sprinkler it or fill it with insulation Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, FL 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com We’re hiring great people at all of our locations! Please ch

Isolation by Floor

We are designing a high rise and I recall a requirement somewhere in the IBC that we need to zone by floor. Can someone please point me to the right place or am I just imagining this. I know that NFPA 13 made some changes in the 2013 edition but we are on the 2007. Thanks Pete Peter Schwab VP of

RE: Angled sidewall sprinklers

See the last page http://www.vikinggroupinc.com/databook/sprinklers/spk_accessories/122698.pdf Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.

RE: Cooler Calc

Bob See 8.16.4.1.5 Below 8.16.4.1.1* Where any portion of a system is subject to freezing and the temperatures cannot be reliably maintained at or above 40°F (4°C), the system shall be installed as a dry pipe or preaction system. 8.16.4.1.1.1 The requirements of 8.16.4.1.1 shall not apply where a

RE: Cooler Calc

See the 2013 edition of NFPA 13 23.4.4.1.1.4* Where the available floor area for a specific area/density design criteria, including any extension of area as required by 11.1.2 and Section 12.3, is less than the required minimum design area, the design area shall be permitted to only include those

RE: Listed Flexible Hose?

Based on NFPA 303, I would say that as long as the flexible connection is acceptable to the AHJ it can be used (Approved vs. listed). 6.4.7 Flexible connections shall be permitted on floating piers where acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction. Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering

RE: Mixing EC-QR and SC-QR sprinklers in the same area

Did you mean to say EC Standard response with QR elements mixed with standard coverage QR? Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.wayn

RE: Sprinkler Systems

would first direct your proposal to ICC. When the last prescriptive for 1.5" hose stations is removed from the building code, I'm all in. SML -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Frid

RE: Sprinkler Systems

@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinkler Systems Agreed about losing Class II. And that I'm correct. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:05 AM To: sprinkler

RE: HVAC chiller closet

There is handbook commentary that supports this as well. From: Sprinklerforum [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] on behalf of Cliff Whitfield [cl...@fire-design.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 1:03 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.o

RE: Sprinkler Systems

, 2014 1:58 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinkler Systems Agreed. ;-) -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:57 AM To: sprinklerforum

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