Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread Todd - FPDC
>> -Original Message- From: George Church >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:05 AM >> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org >> Subject: RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard >> >> In our specialty freezer systems, we have less than 30 sec

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread Ron Greenman
l to tell how disappointed he was that the rest of us sat in our > chairs like fools. He was right, we were fools. > > -Original Message- From: George Church > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:05 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org > Subject: RE: History Lesson - Sp

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread Douglas Hicks
:05 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard In our specialty freezer systems, we have less than 30 seconds to bring the four most remote sprinklers up to their operating pressure. Once they catch fire, the commodities in a freeze

RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread George Church
iresprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:59 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard Fascinating stuff! The very first sprinkler had a pendent orient

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread Todd Williams
There were also seasonal systems that were shut off during cold weather. I remember seeing a comment on an old FM document about noting when they are turned on and off. At 09:58 AM 4/30/2012, you wrote: >13-2007, Section 23.1.1 Every automatic sprinkler system shall have at >least one automati

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread Ron Greenman
EWe have automatic sprinkler heads, and we have automatic sprinkler heads , and we have automatic sprinkler systems, and we have automatic systems with open heads (holes), but we also have manual systems with open heads or simply just holes. I believe the first edition of NFPA 13 came out in 1905 a

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread David deVries
13-2007, Section 23.1.1 Every automatic sprinkler system shall have at least one automatic water supply. CMTCert, Fig, 24.1 Remarks: Date left in service with all control valves open. In the very early days of perforated pipe systems, before the invention of the automatic sprinkler, there were

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-30 Thread bcasterline
'automatic' is in the definition of system types, and has probably been required from the time the head replaced the hole. sorry forum- i need to simmer down again- i'll try.. Ron, correction; i was waiting with bated breath, not baited. ___ Sprinkler

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-29 Thread bcasterline
patiently waiting (with baited breath) for you to care Teach ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum

Re: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-29 Thread Ron Greenman
In Seattle the University of Washington used to be north of the city in what is now the very heart (the Four Seasons Hotel now occupies the original site). When this became too valuable a property and too small also the University was moved to a site north and ast of Lake Union. There are buildings

RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-29 Thread bcasterline
i guess. i think it all started in the big mills (whatever those were) out east-if there was a fire in the lower 40 someone said 'hey joe, go open valve L40E. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firespri

RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-29 Thread Todd Williams
A throwback to the time when they had manual or seasonal systems? The handbook has "automatic" in the title. At 12:50 PM 4/29/2012, you wrote: >has anyone noticed the title of nfpa 13 is NOT 'Standard for the >Insallation of AUTOMATIC Sprinkler Systems'? any history on this? >anything in 13

RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-29 Thread bcasterline
has anyone noticed the title of nfpa 13 is NOT 'Standard for the Insallation of AUTOMATIC Sprinkler Systems'? any history on this? anything in 13 that says automatic is a must? Sorry to diverge even further Cecil, from the lesson at hand. Ron, George, Steve, Ken, Thom? anyone heard from Tho

RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-28 Thread bcasterline
Fascinating stuff! The very first sprinkler had a pendent orientation- it was a hole in the bottom of a pipe ;). It might be that the value of a simple manual system is over-looked these days. (especially freezers where you have what, 3 or 4 days b4 the combustible even thaws out?)

RE: History Lesson - Spray Sprinklers become the Standard

2012-04-28 Thread Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo
Given the fact that the 1953 edition refered to the original as "spray sprinklers" (the original being the kind that sent "spray" up and down), we could say that both are spray sprinklers. We just started using the term spray when Mr. Thompson from FM started researching the new style deflecto