NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

This came up in discussion today: We have an inspector who came in a few years ago and did everything 100% by the book. Including exercising hose valves. But then it turned out that not many companies in the area have been doing that so now he's working hose valves that have not been operated in

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

We exercise them as part of our annual IT&M. John John August Denhardt, P.E. Strickland Fire Protection On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:22 AM, John Irwin mailto:jir...@criticalsystemsolutions.com>> wrote: This came up in discussion today: We have an inspector who came in a few years ago and did every

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

John, For me, when it comes to ITM work following the procedures in -25, there had better be a very good reason "why not" for any of the testing and/or maintenance requirements in that document. I won't descend into drama regarding inoperable hose valves, however, it does strike me as uns

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

I run into situations similar to this. I have a design firm. Often times, we get a project from a contractor and go over the details of the project. Sometimes it may be that different sprinklers are required, sometimes different spacing requirements, sometimes a completely different standard

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

We do find our share of fire hose valves that are near impossible to open due to lack of operation - imho. Usually we need to wrench them open. John John August Denhardt, P.E. Strickland Fire Protection On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Parsley Consulting mailto:parsleyconsult...@cox.net>> wrote:

RE: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

com> [cid:image004.png@01D26BF0.3749EB40] From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:49 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves I run into situ

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or two to see the neglect he uncovered.  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: John Irwin Date: 01/11/2017 7:51 AM (GMT-07:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves These are the ans

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

Sounds to me like an opportunity to discuss with your client what an inadequate job the prior inspectors were doing. Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

I love these kinds of questions because we face these decisions constantly. We are competing against some very inadequate companies at times and the vast majority of our clients - no industrial and non governmental - are not interested in a better inspection. They are interested in checking a box o

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

The answer is a properly funded FM so they could actually implement the IFC. Our safety net is in tatters. Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > On J

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...@criticalsystemsolutions.com<mailto:jir...@criticalsystemsolutions.com> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:47 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 25 - exercisin

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Roland, And there lies the predicament. If the previous ITM services were done by John's firm, he'd be admitting to the client that his own staff had not done their jobs properly, and that could have significant financial impact. By no means am I suggesting some sort of double talk to

RE: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

solutions.com> Sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, spelling errors and punctuation gaffes. Original message From: Parsley Consulting Date: 1/11/17 12:22 PM (GMT-05:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

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jir...@criticalsystemsolutions.com > > > Sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, spelling errors and > punctuation gaffes. > > > Original message > From: Parsley Consulting > Date: 1/11/17 12:22 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesp

RE: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:09 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves Always remember you are there to do inspections and tests to ensure that a system is likely to perform properly during an event. If

RE: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:25 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves Point well made, but I’d add that when it comes to standpipes it’s okay

RE: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:47 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves I love these kinds of questions because we face these decisions constantly. We are competing against some very inadequate companies at times and the vast majority of our clients

Re: NFPA 25 - exercising hose valves

The owner is responsible for maintaining the system, not the contractor. In your contract, specify that you do not perform the valve exercise and the owner is responsible. You can't force a property owner to pay you to exercise the valves. On Wednesday, January 11, 2017, Roland Huggins wrote: >