I don't think 8.16.4.3 applies at all. I don't think there is anything in 13 that actually does apply as 13 requires sprinklers everywhere except where omitted by 13 (4.1). Limited (partial) systems are addressed in 4.2.
Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:26 AM Tom Wellen <tgwel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I addressed for the 2013 ed. of NFPA 13. The below does not include > underlines or strikeouts. Looking back, I could've done better providing > clarification. > > Tom Wellen > > A2012 ROP > 13-21 Log #247 AUT-SSI Final Action: Accept in Principle > (3.3.1.2 Hazardous Area and A.3.3.12 (New) ) > ________________________________________________________________ > Submitter: Thomas G. Wellen, American Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. > Recommendation: Add new definition and renumber the remaining sections: > 3.3.12* Hazardous Area. An area of a structure or building that poses a > degree > of hazard greater than that normal to the general occupancy of the > building or > structure. > A.3.3.12 Hazardous Area. Hazardous areas include areas for the storage or > use > of combustibles or flammables; toxic, noxious, or corrosive materials; or > heatproducing > appliances. > Substantiation: The definition and annex will clarify the application of > 8.16.4.3. The definition and annex are from the 2009 Life Safety Code, > 3.3.19.4. At times, fire sprinkler supply piping is located in > unsprinklered > portions of buildings that feed remodeled areas, new additions, or small > areas > such as a paint booth. It is ruled by AHJs for occupancies without > sprinklers > are considered hazardous areas. AHJs are requiring the piping to be > enclosed > with fire rated enclosures or that localized sprinkler protection provided > to > protect the pipe from fire. This will clarify that a given occupancy does > not > become a hazardous area due the lack of fire sprinklers. New annex > material is > also proposed for 8.16.4.3. > Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle > Add to Annex to 8.16.4.3 as follows: > A.8.16.4.3 Protection should be provided in any area of a structure or > building that poses a degree of hazard greater than that normal to the > general > occupancy of the building or structure. These areas include areas for the > storage or use of combustibles or flammables; toxic, noxious, or corrosive > materials; heat-producing appliances or unprotected areas. > Do not add the definition, just add annex language as shown above. > Committee Statement: This information is better served as Annex material > since it would be restrictive as a definition. > Number Eligible to Vote: 30 > Ballot Results: Affirmative: 28 > Ballot Not Returned: 2 Kirn, M., Slocum, L. > > ROC > 13-356 Log #51 AUT-SSI Final Action: Accept > (A.8.16.4.3) > ______________________________________________________________ > Submitter: Thomas G. Wellen, American Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. > Comment on Proposal No: 13-21 > Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: > A.8.16.4.3 Protection should be provided in any area of a structure or > building that poses a degree of hazard greater than that normal to the > general > occupancy of the building or structure. These areas include areas for the > storage or use of combustibles or flammables; toxic, noxious, or corrosive > materials; and heat-producing appliances or unprotected areas. > Substantiation: Fire sprinkler piping is located in spaces that do not > have fire > sprinkler protection and should not be referred to as a hazardous area. > Since the > committee modified my proposal to include “unprotected areas”, sprinkler > piping located in concealed noncombustible spaces would now be considered > to be located in a hazardous area. A given occupancy does not become a > hazardous area due the lack of fire sprinklers. It’s volatile contents > that create a > hazardous area. The other NFPA standards use the term hazardous areas to > indicate a higher hazard classification than the general occupancy such as > flammable and combustible liquids areas, not due to the lack of fire > sprinklers. > Committee Meeting Action: Accept > Number Eligible to Vote: 29 > Ballot Results: Affirmative: 29 > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:09 PM Mark Sornsin [FAR] < > msorn...@summitcous.com> wrote: > >> Forum, >> >> >> >> As I recall we are not allowed to pipe a feed main to a separate area of >> the building through an unsprinklered area without providing protection for >> at least that main. >> >> >> >> We have a situation where the specifying engineer is having our client >> install a partial system with compete protection being provided at a later >> date. But the feed mains to the renovated areas run through existing >> occupied spaces that are not to be sprinklered. I don’t believe we can do >> this without protecting the main. But I’m not sure where to find this >> requirement. >> >> >> >> The closest I can find is in 8.16.4.3 (’13 edition) for protection of >> above-ground private service mains. These aren’t technically private >> service mains, though practically speaking they are the same thing. >> >> >> >> Any guidance? >> >> Mark Sornsin >> Sr. Fire Protection Engineer >> [image: Visit our Website at www.SummitCoUS.com] >> <http://www.SummitCoUS.com> >> Direct: 701-499-1391 >> Cell: 701-526-8585 >> Email: msorn...@summitcous.com | Web: www.SummitCoUS.com >> 11 South 15th Street | Fargo | ND | 58103 >> Office: 701-237-6006 | Fax: 701-237-4051 >> ------------------------------ >> >> This information transmitted, including attachments, is intended only for >> the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> confidential and/or privileged material. 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