Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
It's bad solution: sqlite CREATE TABLE T1 (N INTEGER CHECK(+N = 0)); sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('-5'); sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('q'); sqlite select N, typeof(N) from T1; -5|integer q|text -- Best regards, Alexey Pechnikov. http://pechnikov.tel/

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
2010/4/28 Dan Bishop danbisho...@gmail.com: ... Why the inconsistency? There are a lot of same problems. See http://www.mail-archive.com/sqlite-users@sqlite.org/msg47832.html sqlite select 1='1'; 0 sqlite create table test(a text); sqlite insert into test values (1); sqlite select * from test

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Pavel Ivanov
But the problem is internal logical inconsistency in datatyping. There's no internal inconsistency in SQLite. Everything is consistent and works using strict rules which are well explained in documentation and numerously discussed on this list. Just get used to the fact that SQLite works

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
See here: http://readlist.com/lists/sqlite.org/sqlite-users/6/34050.html works differently from shell and from file - are you really think, it's true? May be you know different SQL standart which is dependence of the _method_ of the starting SQL scripts?! 2010/4/29 Pavel Ivanov

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Pavel Ivanov
Sorry, I can't see your link from here and I don't understand what you're talking about. If you're trying to show me some email from this list either quote it or give a link from mail-archive.com. Pavel On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Alexey Pechnikov pechni...@mobigroup.ru wrote: See here:

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
Link to mail-archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/sqlite-users@sqlite.org/msg47382.html 2010/4/29 Pavel Ivanov paiva...@gmail.com: Sorry, I can't see your link from here and I don't understand what you're talking about. If you're trying to show me some email from this list either quote it or

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Pavel Ivanov
Sorry, I cannot tell you anything about TCL - never used one. But I'm sure that it's some additional layer above SQLite. And if you find some inconsistencies there then it's inconsistencies in TCL, not in SQLite itself. Pavel On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Alexey Pechnikov

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
Similar conversions problems we can see in triggers and constraints too. See the first message in this topic. In TCL layer I did add the typing when possible logic but how to do it here? sqlite INSERT INTO T2 VALUES('18'); In this expression value '18' may has more than single datatype in

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Igor Tandetnik
Alexey Pechnikov wrote: It's bad solution: sqlite CREATE TABLE T1 (N INTEGER CHECK(+N = 0)); sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('-5'); sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('q'); sqlite select N, typeof(N) from T1; -5|integer q|text I wasn't proposing this as a solution. It was an experiment, an

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Paul Rigor (uci)
Hey all, SQLite seems to be consistent if you actually provide the proper checks you want to achieve. What's the deal again with prepending the check with +? sqlite CREATE TABLE T2 (N INTEGER CHECK(N = 0) CHECK(TYPEOF(N)=='integer')); sqlite INSERT INTO T2 VALUES(-'q'); sqlite INSERT INTO T2

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Igor Tandetnik
Paul Rigor (uci) wrote: SQLite seems to be consistent if you actually provide the proper checks you want to achieve. What's the deal again with prepending the check with +? The deal with + is my attempt to disprove the OP's suggestion that the constraint is applied AFTER converting N to an

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
Yes, I did understand. But how we can resolve this situation without manual types casting? Now datatyping working correct only with manual casting but it's hard to use: sqlite CREATE TABLE T2 (N INTEGER CHECK(TYPEOF(N) = 'integer')); sqlite INSERT INTO T2 VALUES('5'); Error: constraint failed

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Pavel Ivanov
But how we can resolve this situation without manual types casting? SQLite version 3.6.23.1 Enter .help for instructions Enter SQL statements terminated with a ; sqlite create table t (n integer); sqlite create trigger tr before insert on t begin select raise(fail, 'Value must be positive')

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Black, Michael (IS)
From: sqlite-users-boun...@sqlite.org on behalf of Alexey Pechnikov Sent: Thu 4/29/2010 8:25 AM To: General Discussion of SQLite Database Subject: Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity Yes, I did understand. But how we can resolve this situation without

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
Do you want produce SQL-injections security holes? When database engine can convert datatypes on demand we may quoting all values from web forms and all other external sources. Note: variable binding is impossible for dynamically created views, triggers, etc. And modern languages can use string

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
This is just for fun, isn't it? It'is not more simple then cast(... as ...) and has performance problem and produce big and dirty database schema. 2010/4/29 Pavel Ivanov paiva...@gmail.com: But how we can resolve this situation without manual types casting? sqlite create trigger tr before

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Black, Michael (IS)
of SQLite Database Subject: Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity Do you want produce SQL-injections security holes? When database engine can convert datatypes on demand we may quoting all values from web forms and all other external sources. Note: variable binding is impossible

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Black, Michael (IS)
...@sqlite.org on behalf of Alexey Pechnikov Sent: Thu 4/29/2010 9:07 AM To: General Discussion of SQLite Database Subject: Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity This is just for fun, isn't it? It'is not more simple then cast(... as ...) and has performance problem and produce big and dirty

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Pavel Ivanov
I believe it isn't more complicated than check() constraints and hasn't such performance problem compared to check() constraints, not sure about your definition of big and dirty schema. OTOH it has better error message... But anyway you have no other choice at this moment and there's no reason

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Igor Tandetnik
Alexey Pechnikov pechni...@mobigroup.ru wrote: Do you want produce SQL-injections security holes? When database engine can convert datatypes on demand we may quoting all values from web forms and all other external sources. Don't build SQL statements on the fly - use parameterized queries to

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Paul Rigor (uci)
Agreed. I would hope that the application (at a higher level) is performing type checks on the input data before attempting any insertion... On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Igor Tandetnik itandet...@mvps.org wrote: Alexey Pechnikov pechni...@mobigroup.ru wrote: Do you want produce

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-29 Thread Alexey Pechnikov
FYI, for strict typing I prefer the ENFORCE public domain extension from http://sqlite.mobigroup.ru/src/wiki?name=WClark CREATE TABLE t (i enforce integer); insert into t values('-5'); Error: t.i must be type 'integer' This acts as (N INTEGER CHECK(TYPEOF(N) = 'integer') OR N IS NULL) but error

[sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-28 Thread Dan Bishop
If I write sqlite CREATE TABLE T1 (N INTEGER CHECK(N = 0)); the constraint is applied AFTER converting N to an integer. sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('42'); sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('-5'); SQL error: constraint failed But if I write sqlite CREATE TABLE T2 (N INTEGER CHECK(TYPEOF(N) =

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-28 Thread Igor Tandetnik
Dan Bishop wrote: sqlite CREATE TABLE T1 (N INTEGER CHECK(N = 0)); the constraint is applied AFTER converting N to an integer. sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('42'); sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('-5'); SQL error: constraint failed How do you know? Both expressions below are true: -5 0

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-28 Thread Igor Tandetnik
Dan Bishop wrote: If I write sqlite CREATE TABLE T1 (N INTEGER CHECK(N = 0)); the constraint is applied AFTER converting N to an integer. sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('42'); sqlite INSERT INTO T1 VALUES('-5'); SQL error: constraint failed A curious thing seems to happen. Inside CHECK

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-28 Thread Black, Michael (IS)
From: sqlite-users-boun...@sqlite.org on behalf of Igor Tandetnik Sent: Wed 4/28/2010 7:00 AM To: sqlite-users@sqlite.org Subject: Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity Dan Bishop wrote: If I write sqlite CREATE TABLE T1 (N INTEGER CHECK(N = 0)); the constraint is applied

Re: [sqlite] CHECK constraints and type affinity

2010-04-28 Thread Igor Tandetnik
Black, Michael (IS) wrote: Hmmm...when I get rid of the +' CREATE TABLE T1 (N INTEGER CHECK(N = 0)); the constraint works Seems to me that +N is the same as abs(N). I'm not even sure of what the intent of +N would be??? A unary plus in SQLite is a no-op, but it suppresses type coercion,