Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-07 Thread Paul Smith
At 17:22 06/05/2004, D. Richard Hipp wrote: Thomas, Basil wrote: I am no technical expert but...could not page locking at least be implemented by the pager module to increase concurrency(very naive...but better than file locking). Page-level locking will not help. For one thing, we cannot

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-07 Thread Christian Smith
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Puneet Kishor wrote: Things that SQLite sucks at (if you pardon the expression) compared to Access and FMPro -- ALTERing tables is a royal pain in the behind. I am constantly in need of ALTERing the tables and queries (views) as I am developing the application, and to do this

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-07 Thread Puneet Kishor
Christian Smith wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2004, Puneet Kishor wrote: Things that SQLite sucks at (if you pardon the expression) compared to Access and FMPro -- ALTERing tables is a royal pain in the behind. I am constantly in need of ALTERing the tables and queries (views) as I am developing the

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Christian Smith
On Thu, 6 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to use SQLite on a web server or .net remoting and multi-user/threads may become an issue as locking is based at the finest granularity of file locking instead of table/page/row locking. Will this issue be resolved from 3.x onwards so that

RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Thomas, Basil
at least be implemented by the pager module to increase concurrency(very naive...but better than file locking). -Original Message- From: Christian Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:38 AM To: Thomas, Basil Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread D. Richard Hipp
Christian Smith wrote: [U]se the right tool for the job. If you require concurrent readers/writer(s), then you may be better off using a full blown client/server database, especially in a distributed environment. SQLite is designed to be embedded, don't just use it because you can.

RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Chris Waters
[U]se the right tool for the job. If you require concurrent readers/writer(s), then you may be better off using a full blown client/server database, especially in a distributed environment. SQLite is designed to be embedded, don't just use it because you can. Concurrency is not

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread D. Richard Hipp
Thomas, Basil wrote: I am no technical expert but...could not page locking at least be implemented by the pager module to increase concurrency(very naive...but better than file locking). Page-level locking will not help. For one thing, we cannot do both page-level locking and reader/writer

Re: RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Gregory Mullins
I'm testing sqlite on a network (Windows 2003 Server) share and with 5 users. I've created a server program which is ran from the same directory as the shared database. The program that the 5 users have, will read only from the sqlite database in that directory. Whenever they want to add a

RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Christian Smith
?p=BlueSky Christian -Original Message- From: Christian Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:38 AM To: Thomas, Basil Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues On Thu, 6 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to use SQLite

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 09:54:24AM -0400, D. Richard Hipp wrote: Concurrency is not nearly as much an issue in reality as it is in many peoples imagination. Concurrency probably is not an issue for a website. If concurrency really is an issue, you need a client/server database. While that

RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread basil . thomas
as regards increased concurrency??? -Original Message- From: D. Richard Hipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues Thomas, Basil wrote: I am no technical expert but...could not page locking

RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Steve O'Hara
2004 17:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 09:54:24AM -0400, D. Richard Hipp wrote: Concurrency is not nearly as much an issue in reality as it is in many peoples imagination. Concurrency probably is not an issue for a website

RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread basil . thomas
requested...such as supporting more users!!! -Original Message- From: Andrew Piskorski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 09:54:24AM -0400, D. Richard Hipp wrote

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Puneet Kishor
...such as supporting more users!!! -Original Message- From: Andrew Piskorski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 09:54:24AM -0400, D. Richard Hipp wrote: Concurrency is not nearly

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 06:24:10PM +0100, Steve O'Hara wrote: However, I'm wondering why we're comparing SQLite with kernel based RDBMS like Oracle etc, and not with it's more closely related cousins such as Access ? In my case, because I am very familiar with Oracle, somewhat less so with

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Puneet Kishor
In the spirit of discussion -- On May 6, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Piskorski wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 06:24:10PM +0100, Steve O'Hara wrote: However, I'm wondering why we're comparing SQLite with kernel based RDBMS like Oracle etc, and not with it's more closely related cousins such as

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 01:21:28PM -0500, Puneet Kishor wrote: they are as real a database as one wants them to be. Sure, they don't support ACID compliance, but I am not sure if they are created by Ugh, that particular argument is one I should not have started. My apologies to all, and

Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Puneet Kishor
On May 6, 2004, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Piskorski wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 01:21:28PM -0500, Puneet Kishor wrote: they are as real a database as one wants them to be. Sure, they don't support ACID compliance, but I am not sure if they are created by Ugh, that particular argument is one I should

[sqlite] unsolved RDBMS problems Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 01:21:28PM -0500, Puneet Kishor wrote: Frankly, I am not sure if there is anything exciting left in relational databases to discover or create... most has been created and well-tested over the past 3 decades. What is left is making a tool No way, that is not true!

RE: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency issues

2004-05-06 Thread Steve O'Hara
...have a clue. I'm not saying it's the best or fastest but it must have something going for it... Steve -Original Message- From: Puneet Kishor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2004 18:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sqlite] vers 3.0 concurrency