Re: [Standards] roster schema

2007-07-06 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 05-07-2007, czw o godzinie 16:49 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre napisał(a): If the server could handle and client knows it could handle, it could use longer names. How does the client know? It tried to put a long name in a minute ago and it succeeded. 640KB SHOULD be enough for anyone.

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-06 Thread Ian Paterson
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Whenever a client publishes the first item to a node that ends in +[accessmodel], the pubsub service MUST create the node with a default access model equal to the specified model (that is open or presence or roster or authorize or whitelist). [1] For such a node, the

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Daniel Noll
On Friday 06 July 2007 06:49, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Getting a User's Attention Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for getting a user's attention. I know it doesn't have the humour tag,

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 is harmful and should be deferred

2007-07-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On 6 Jul 2007, at 13:06, Daniel Noll wrote: But mobile client users and authors are still going to object to receiving data they didn't ask for, especially if it's the same size as what was already being sent in the presence. :-) Remember that if the server supports the caps optimisation

Re: [Standards] XEP-0108: registry?

2007-07-06 Thread Daniel Noll
On Friday 06 July 2007 01:53, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: We *could* do that with the video phone activity. It's a bit of a borderline case, but IMHO it's going to be common enough that we want to define a separate activity for it. Video phones may become common enough one day (when Cisco stop

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On 6 Jul 2007, at 13:13, Daniel Noll wrote: Title: Getting a User's Attention I know it doesn't have the humour tag, but I still can't tell if this is a joke or not. Either way, it sounds like it has the potential to be the most abused feature ever. :-) Some users want such a feature; I

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Andreas Monitzer
On Jul 06, 2007, at 14:13, Daniel Noll wrote: It may even be desirable to enable this per-user. Whether this means giving different users different disco results or giving the same result and silently dropping the packet, I'm not sure. I think I would prefer the third option, the sender

Re: [Standards] roster schema

2007-07-06 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 10:54:01AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote: It would be handy to also specify an extended additional error along with the not-allowed/ so that the client can know what part of the roster item is wrong which would add to the flexibility, e.g. name-limit-exceeded

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 is harmful and should be deferred

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Daniel Noll wrote: On Friday 06 July 2007 09:00, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Robin Redeker wrote: And I think announcing capabilities seems to be a great application of PEP/PubSub. I can already imagine the client setting: PEP depends on XEP-0115. Circular dependencies seem like a bad idea.

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Andreas Monitzer wrote: On Jul 06, 2007, at 17:55, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Isn't not-authorized an iq result, and thus not applicable for a message stanza? If the message contains only the attention element (as it certainly should), then the recipient can simply ignore it. It's not

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Andreas Monitzer
On Jul 06, 2007, at 18:31, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: How do other services implement this kind of poke feature? I assume in the UI you can right-click or whatever to choose poke stpeter and your client sends this special message off to me. Usually, it's a button in the message window I

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Rachel Blackman
How do other services implement this kind of poke feature? I assume in the UI you can right-click or whatever to choose poke stpeter and your client sends this special message off to me. I think it's less likely that you'd send a message (hey pay attention!) with the poke, but naturally you

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Rachel Blackman wrote: How do other services implement this kind of poke feature? I assume in the UI you can right-click or whatever to choose poke stpeter and your client sends this special message off to me. I think it's less likely that you'd send a message (hey pay attention!) with the

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Whenever a client publishes the first item to a node that ends in +[accessmodel], the pubsub service MUST create the node with a default access model equal to the specified model (that is open or presence or roster or authorize or whitelist). [1]

[Standards] RC2 of bis drafts

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
As previously mentioned, I provisionally removed server dialback from rfc3920bis in preparation for moving that documentation to a XEP: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dialback.html Unfortunately, the Council has not yet approved publication of the server dialback proto-XEP. Therefore I

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Thanks for the helpful post, Ralph. Comments inline. Ralph Meijer wrote: First of I want to restate the issue: the publisher wants to publish an item to a node that has a certain access model. There are two ways to solve this: 1. No auto create. In this case, there is no magical node

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Rachel Blackman
Since poke (or buzz) is usually just implemented on any service or client as your message window jittering around on the recipient's desktop like a toddler who's just drunk a venté espresso, people tend to send a message, then hit poke. I guess we can't call it poke, since that's already

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 is harmful and should be deferred

2007-07-06 Thread Daniel Noll
On Saturday 07 July 2007 02:04, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Daniel Noll wrote: On Friday 06 July 2007 09:00, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Robin Redeker wrote: And I think announcing capabilities seems to be a great application of PEP/PubSub. I can already imagine the client setting: PEP

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 is harmful and should be deferred

2007-07-06 Thread Daniel Noll
On Friday 06 July 2007 22:19, Kevin Smith wrote: On 6 Jul 2007, at 13:06, Daniel Noll wrote: But mobile client users and authors are still going to object to receiving data they didn't ask for, especially if it's the same size as what was already being sent in the presence. :-) Remember

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Daniel Noll
On Saturday 07 July 2007 01:55, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: If the message contains only the attention element (as it certainly should), then the recipient can simply ignore it. It's not necessary to return an error, IMHO. To some extent though I'd like to know if I prod someone whose client