[Standards] XEP-0001: automatic deferral

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Section 6 of XEP-0001 states in part: ** If an Experimental XEP is inactive (i.e., no updated versions are published) for a period of six (6) months, the XMPP Extensions Editor shall automatically change the status of the XEP to Deferred unless it is in the queue of XEPs under active consider

Re: [Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Robert Quattlebaum wrote: > On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Greg Hudson wrote: > >> On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 19:16 +, Alexander Jones wrote: I have a few implementation observations with respect to Jingle. The current implementation really requires all Jingle stuff to be managed cent

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0221 (Data Forms Media Element)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.2 of XEP-0221 (Data Forms Media Element) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for including media data in XEP-0004 data forms. Changelog: [See revision history] (psa) Diff: http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0221.x

Re: [Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Robert Quattlebaum
On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Greg Hudson wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 17:53 -0800, Robert Quattlebaum wrote: What if these plug-ins are actually separate processes? Imagine if you were using some sort of XMPP client daemon, for example. In such a setup, you would have separate processes for

Re: [Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Greg Hudson
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 17:53 -0800, Robert Quattlebaum wrote: > What if these plug-ins are actually separate processes? Imagine if you > were using some sort of XMPP client daemon, for example. In such a > setup, you would have separate processes for file transfer, > audio/video chat, roster, etc.

Re: [Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Robert Quattlebaum
On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Greg Hudson wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 19:16 +, Alexander Jones wrote: I have a few implementation observations with respect to Jingle. The current implementation really requires all Jingle stuff to be managed centrally in an app. For example, you need a "J

Re: [Standards] XEP-0225: Multiple Connections Per JID?

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Daniel Henninger wrote: > Hi folk! > > We have a need to connect multiple iterations of a component to the > same JID. Currently, XEP-0225 talks about the same component binding multiple hostnames, but it does not talk about multiple components binding the same hostname. Whether that is allowed

Re: [Standards] Publish-subscribe collection node deassociation notification

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ralph Meijer wrote: > Hi, > > I am working on getting publish-subscribe collection nodes implemented > in Idavoll. There are two ways to subscribe to a collection nodes using > the 'pubsub#subscription_type' subscription configuration option: nodes > and items. > > In the 'nodes' case, you get no

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Proposed XMPP Extension: User Bleg

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Nick Vidal wrote: > Hi Peter and Kevin, > > In the spirit of illustrating a generic solution that would suit this > specific question-and-answer pattern, I offer a simple example: > > - Peter creates a node called "philosophy" where he publishes all > philosophical questions he has. > - Some frie

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle File Transfer

2008-01-30 Thread Richard Dobson
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Lauri Kaila wrote: A small note. When there already is a session, instead of normal IBB, the payload could be carried inside info-messages. Maybe not a good idea, but possible. I hadn't considered that. Yes, it's possible. I was trying to keep Jingle File Transfer as c

[Standards] NEW: XEP-0233 (Use of Domain-Based Service Names in XMPP SASL Negotiation)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.1 of XEP-0233 (Use of Domain-Based Service Names in XMPP SASL Negotiation) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a method by which a connection manager associated with an XMPP server can inform a connecting client about its domain-based service name. Changelog: Init

[Standards] NEW: XEP-0232 (Software Information)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.1 of XEP-0232 (Software Information) has been released. Abstract: This document specifies an extended data format whereby XMPP service discovery responses can include detailed information about the software application that powers a given XMPP entity for including detailed data about

[Standards] NEW: XEP-0231 (Data Element)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.1 of XEP-0231 (Data Element) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for including small bits of binary data in an XML stanza. Changelog: Initial published version. (psa) Diff: N/A URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0231.html

[Standards] NEW: XEP-0230 (Service Discovery Notifications)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.1 of XEP-0230 (Service Discovery Notifications) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a method for requesting and receiving notifications regarding XMPP service discovery items. Changelog: Initial published version. (psa) Diff: N/A URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extension

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0118 (User Tune)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 1.2 of XEP-0118 (User Tune) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a payload format for communicating information about music to which a user is listening, including the title, track number, collection, performer, composer, length, and user rating. The payload format is

[Standards] DEPRECATED: XEP-0078 (Non-SASL Authentication)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 2.4 of XEP-0078 (Non-SASL Authentication) has been released. Abstract: This document specifies a protocol for authentication with Jabber servers and services using the jabber:iq:auth namespace. Note Well: The protocol specified herein has been deprecated in favor of SASL authentication

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0080 (User Location)

2008-01-30 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 1.5 of XEP-0080 (User Location) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for communicating information about the current geographical or physical location of an entity. Changelog: Added speed element. (jjh/psa) Diff: http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/

[Standards] [Fwd: [Council] meeting minutes, 2008-01-30]

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. Original Message Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:21:58 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: XMPP Council <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Council] meeting minutes, 2008-01-30 Results of the XMPP Council meeting held 2008-01-30... Agenda: http://www.jabber.org/coun

Re: [Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Andrew Plotkin
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Greg Hudson wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 19:16 +, Alexander Jones wrote: I have a few implementation observations with respect to Jingle. The current implementation really requires all Jingle stuff to be managed centrally in an app. For example, you need a "Jingle engin

Re: [Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Greg Hudson
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 19:16 +, Alexander Jones wrote: > > I have a few implementation observations with respect to Jingle. The > > current implementation really requires all Jingle stuff to be managed > > centrally in an app. For example, you need a "Jingle engine" that things > > like file tra

Re: [Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Alexander Jones
On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 12:08 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Here is some anonymous feedback I received in an IM conversation today: > > ** > > I have a few implementation observations with respect to Jingle. The > current implementation really requires all Jingle stuff to be managed > cen

[Standards] Jingle "implementability"

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Here is some anonymous feedback I received in an IM conversation today: ** I have a few implementation observations with respect to Jingle. The current implementation really requires all Jingle stuff to be managed centrally in an app. For example, you need a "Jingle engine" that things like f

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Proposed XMPP Extension: User Bleg

2008-01-30 Thread Nick Vidal
Hi Peter and Kevin, In the spirit of illustrating a generic solution that would suit this specific question-and-answer pattern, I offer a simple example: - Peter creates a node called "philosophy" where he publishes all philosophical questions he has. - Some friends subscribe to it. - Kevin publi

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Proposed XMPP Extension: User Bleg

2008-01-30 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Jan 30 17:16:44 2008, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Kevin Smith wrote: >> Perhaps I confused things by calling it "bleg". Qian called it "Q-and-A" >> before I changed the name to be more edgy. > > Well, my inclination is that if you're interested enough to answer, > you're probably intere

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Proposed XMPP Extension: User Bleg

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Kevin Smith wrote: >> Perhaps I confused things by calling it "bleg". Qian called it "Q-and-A" >> before I changed the name to be more edgy. > > Well, my inclination is that if you're interested enough to answer, > you're probably interested enough to see how it 'turns out', and so > would want t

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Proposed XMPP Extension: User Bleg

2008-01-30 Thread Kevin Smith
Ok, this one's definitely going to the list \o/ > >> No, but what I was meaning was that you don't gain anything from this > >> xep, apart from that filtering - it's not clear to me really what the > >> motivation is. To look at it another way, how do people want this to > >> appear in a client? T

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Proposed XMPP Extension: User Bleg

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Kevin Smith wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Peter Saint-Andre > >> Did you mean to send this to the list? :) > > Yes, yes I did. Sorry, Kevin and I seem to have duelling mail settings so that when he replies to my list posts, the mail goes to me and not to the list... >

[Standards] Fwd: Proposed XMPP Extension: User Bleg

2008-01-30 Thread Kevin Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Peter Saint-Andre >Did you mean to send this to the list? :) Yes, yes I did. Kevin Smith wrote: >>> Perhaps someone could talk me through this one, please? The >>> pep/message mix seems a bit peculiar to me, particularly as it seems >>> to miss out o

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle File Transfer

2008-01-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Lauri Kaila wrote: > A small note. When there already is a session, instead of normal IBB, > the payload could be carried inside info-messages. Maybe not a good > idea, but possible. I hadn't considered that. Yes, it's possible. I was trying to keep Jingle File Transfer as close as possible to XEP