Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > On 4/7/11 7:53 AM, "Kevin Smith" wrote: > >>> We also need to get the "only send me updates sense the last time I was >>> online at time X (UTC)" extension increased in priority. >> >> Oh, right. For that, I think we just want pubsub nodes t

Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On 4/7/11 7:53 AM, "Kevin Smith" wrote: >> We also need to get the "only send me updates sense the last time I was >> online at time X (UTC)" extension increased in priority. > > Oh, right. For that, I think we just want pubsub nodes to expose MAM. MAM? Please parse. I was talking about:

Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > On 4/6/11 10:18 PM, "Kevin Smith" wrote: > >> I like the idea of knowing when vcards change. Retreiving at login >> because the entire payload is in PEP would be horrid. > > We also need to get the "only send me updates sense the last time I

Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On 4/6/11 10:18 PM, "Kevin Smith" wrote: > I like the idea of knowing when vcards change. Retreiving at login > because the entire payload is in PEP would be horrid. We also need to get the "only send me updates sense the last time I was online at time X (UTC)" extension increased in priority.

Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > One approach might be to use IQs for vCard publication and retrieval, > but a special PEP node for notifications that a vCard has changed (if > anyone cares). That was my suggestion, until I re-read your mail and realised you'd already su

Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > On Wed Apr  6 19:55:17 2011, Waqas Hussain wrote: >> >> Also, PEP in MUC is not a solved problem. I do like avatars in MUC. > > I'd note that in Belgium, the consensus seemed to be to solve that problem > rather than continue to work around i

Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Apr 6 19:55:17 2011, Waqas Hussain wrote: Also, PEP in MUC is not a solved problem. I do like avatars in MUC. I'd note that in Belgium, the consensus seemed to be to solve that problem rather than continue to work around it. Additionally, a recall the consensus as being to deprecate

Re: [Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > A few minutes ago I published an Internet-Draft that specifies a vCard > KIND of "thing" (instead of "individual" etc.) for use by entities such > as XMPP servers or MUC rooms. This made me think again about whether we > want to use IQs (

[Standards] vCard4: IQ vs. PEP

2011-04-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
A few minutes ago I published an Internet-Draft that specifies a vCard KIND of "thing" (instead of "individual" etc.) for use by entities such as XMPP servers or MUC rooms. This made me think again about whether we want to use IQs (as in vcard-temp) or PEP (as currently in XEP-0292) as the way to t

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Matthew Wild
On 6 April 2011 14:54, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Matthew A. Miller > wrote: >> >> On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller >>> wrote: >> >> That's what I'm suggesting;  Have "jid" be the full occupant

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Matthew A. Miller wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller >> wrote: >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: > On 6 April

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller > wrote: >> >> On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> >>> On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully wrote: > On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Mat

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: >>> On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild wrote: > The only downside to this is ba

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: >> On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully wrote: >>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild wrote: >>> The only downside to this is backwards-compatibility. I haven't tested any, but it might ups

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: > On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully wrote: >> On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild wrote: >> >>> The only downside to this is backwards-compatibility. I haven't tested >>> any, but it might upset some clients to see an with no 'jid'. >> >> Why can't the