Re: [Standards] XEP-0068 x-

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Exactly. On 5/15/12 11:44 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: That sounds fine to me. The real requirement is that the author is certain that the field name is not going to collide with anyone else's field name that might have a different meaning. On 5/15/12 5:26 PM, Peter Saint-Andre

Re: [Standards] XEP-0068 x-

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Thus I've checked in 1.2rc5: http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0068-1.2.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0068/diff/1.1/vs/1.2rc5 http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/api/xep/0068/diff/1.2rc4/vs/1.2rc5 (the diffs don't render yet, but should soon) On 5/16/12 6:48 AM, Peter Saint-Andre

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Jonny Lamb
On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 09:42 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: We do have a spec for Entity Time... http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0202.html Sorry, I had actually seen this, I should have referenced it in my first mail. The problems I see with the XEP-0202 approach and the advantages of adding a

Re: [Standards] XEP-0068 x-

2012-05-16 Thread Matthew Miller
From the original text, I think it's important to namespace, and I think it's important to agree how a namespace is included in the field name. Precisely how the namespace substring is formatted is less important; it can be a URI, a URN, a Java reverse-domain, or something else. On May 15,

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 15:13 +0100, Jonny Lamb wrote: How about: said new 'timezone' element in the XEP-0080 PEP node which cross-references XEP-0202 in an attempt to keep them in sync? You could also do this: pubsub:publish node=../geoloc item geoloc:geoloc lat/lon/ xep0202:time/ /... Yay

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Todd Herman
The polling portion is easy. When you receive presence from a person, just check there timezone using XEP-202. This is much less work then PEP. Are you already using PEP (XEP-0163)? This is not something available by default. Publishing GeoLocation is not mandatory with PEP either but just

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 15:20 +, Todd Herman wrote: Are you already using PEP (XEP-0163)? This is not something available by default. It's available on most popular and modern XMPP servers that I know of, with gmail being the one exception. (Sorry for the slight OT) -- Kim Alvefur

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 15:13 +0100, Jonny Lamb wrote: will not work on Google's servers. Btw, there are basically two solutions to this: 1) Work around it. (I.e. don't use PEP) 2) Get Google to add PEP support. One of these is a real and long term solution. :) -- Kim Alvefur z...@zash.se

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Todd Herman
PEP needs to be supported by the client, the side actually responsible for publishing the information, to be of any use. Not all clients support PEP. Also, most of the servers that support PEP (that I have seen) do not have it active by default. That is what I meant. -Original

Re: [Standards] XEP-0068 x-

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
I interpret that as follows. OLD The namespace of a field is assumed to be inherited from the FORM_TYPE. When an organization or project defines a field that is used in the context of a FORM_TYPE it does not manage (e.g., a non-XSF field contained in a form whose FORM_TYPE is managed by the XSF,

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On 5/16/12 8:13 AM, Jonny Lamb jonny.l...@collabora.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 09:42 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: We do have a spec for Entity Time... http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0202.html Sorry, I had actually seen this, I should have referenced it in my first mail. The

Re: [Standards] Average packet size of XEP-0301

2012-05-16 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue May 15 21:19:09 2012, Gunnar Hellström wrote: 1. I think it is quite common that the overhead in XMPP gets around 300 bytes per packet. (It might be 200 in some conditions.) Where did this figure come from? -- Dave Cridland - mailto:d...@cridland.net - xmpp:d...@dave.cridland.net -

Re: [Standards] Timezone element in XEP-0080: User Location

2012-05-16 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed May 16 16:31:25 2012, Todd Herman wrote: PEP needs to be supported by the client, the side actually responsible for publishing the information, to be of any use. Not all clients support PEP. Also, most of the servers that support PEP (that I have seen) do not have it active by

Re: [Standards] Average packet size of XEP-0301

2012-05-16 Thread Gunnar Hellström
Dave Cridland skrev 2012-05-16 21:45: On Tue May 15 21:19:09 2012, Gunnar Hellström wrote: 1. I think it is quite common that the overhead in XMPP gets around 300 bytes per packet. (It might be 200 in some conditions.) Where did this figure come from? My own brief observations, mainly using

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0268 (Incident Handling)

2012-05-16 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.5 of XEP-0268 (Incident Handling) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines methods for incident reporting among XMPP server deployments using the IODEF format produced by the IETF's INCH Working Group. Changelog: Simplified the processing model to send reports only in

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0268 (Incident Handling)

2012-05-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 5/16/12 4:49 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: Version 0.5 of XEP-0268 (Incident Handling) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines methods for incident reporting among XMPP server deployments using the IODEF format produced by the IETF's INCH Working Group. Changelog: