Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Kevin Smith
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Nathan Walp wrote: > Somewhat related: > http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2012-October/026887.html Not entirely sure why I missed that before. I hadn't thought about the initial presence versus idle. I guess we do need a new element for it, then. /K

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Matt Miller
On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 1/24/13 9:20 AM, Tobias Markmann wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Miller >> mailto:linuxw...@outer-planes.net>> >> wrote: >> >> Sure, but there are potential priva

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Nathan Walp
On 01/23/2013 05:42 PM, Tobias Markmann wrote: > Hi, > > kind of as follow up post to my recent lone message here a more > general approach to the problem. > > How about adding an optional attribute to XEP-0012's query stanza (eg. > stamp) for indicating absolute time. Depending on what you use the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/24/13 9:20 AM, Tobias Markmann wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Miller > mailto:linuxw...@outer-planes.net>> > wrote: > > Sure, but there are potential privacy concerns here. Sending UTC > always does not give away my (extremel

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Tobias Markmann
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Miller wrote: > Sure, but there are potential privacy concerns here. Sending UTC always > does not give away my (extremely broad) geographical location, while > including the timezone offset does. > > I am not suggesting we force this 'stamp' to always be UTC

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Tobias Markmann
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Miller wrote: > Sure, but there are potential privacy concerns here. Sending UTC always > does not give away my (extremely broad) geographical location, while > including the timezone offset does. > > I am not suggesting we force this 'stamp' to always be UTC

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Matt Miller
On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Tobias Markmann wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Matt Miller > wrote: > >> To be clear, 'stamp' is the equivalent of 'seconds', in absolute terms. >> The recipient wouldn't deduct 'seconds' from 'stamp' to get the ultimate >> result. >> > > Yes...if bot

Re: [Standards] XEP-0012 And Absolute Time

2013-01-24 Thread Dave Cridland
On Jan 24, 2013 6:41 AM, "Philipp Hancke" wrote: > > Am 24.01.2013 00:00, schrieb Tobias Markmann: > >> I think the value of 'stamp' would be according to XEP-0082, which allows >> for optional time zone specifier at the end (just 'Z' at the end meaning >> UTC). > > > http://mail.jabber.org/piperm