[Standards] MAM & Offline messages

2014-03-03 Thread Sergey Dobrov
Hello folks, I am wondering what should happen if server has no support of offline messages storage but does have support of MAM and someone sends offline message, should server send back "service-unavailable" or not? Thanks.

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Tobias Thanks a lot. This is exactly what I need. Best regards, Peter Waher From: Tobias Markmann [mailto:tmarkm...@googlemail.com] Sent: den 3 mars 2014 14:30 To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend Hi Peter, On 2 Mar 2014 20:10, "Peter Waher" mailto

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Ben Thanks for your input. You're correct that you can always send the probe. What worries me is how many servers will actually route it. It only says servers SHOULD route the probe in RFC 6121. How would you do this use case better, than by sending a probe? Best regards, Peter Waher F

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Steven Thanks for your input. The point here is to find a mechanism or a collection of tests to help finding out the reason why a collection of devices are not online. Is it because they cannot connect to the XMPP server? Or because one of many other conditions. One way to estimate if the

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Tobias Markmann
Hi Peter, On 2 Mar 2014 20:10, "Peter Waher" wrote: > > Hello > > > > Is there a means to figure out the last time a friend connected to its XMPP server? Can you ask the server hosting the user account for last connection time? (You might not have been online to receive the presence message when

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Ben Langfeld
The point here is that this is a normative recommendation against doing presence probes, because there's often a better way to achieve the result. It is not denying you the option of doing so. On 3 March 2014 13:47, Peter Waher wrote: > Hello Dave > > > > Thanks for the quick response. This lo

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Steven Lloyd Watkin
If you know the full jid of the device, then you could always ping it? http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0199.html _ Steven Lloyd Watkin Software Engineer PHP ::: Java ::: Ruby ::: Node.js ::: XMPP ll...@evilprofessor.co.uk (email+jid) ::: http://w

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Dave Thanks for the quick response. This looks like exactly what I need. I'm a little worried about this statement in RFC 6121 though (and the explanation a little circular): Presence probes SHOULD NOT be sent by a client, because in general a client will not need to send them since

Re: [Standards] Last connection time of friend

2014-03-03 Thread Peter Waher
Hello Philipp Thanks for the quick reply. Should have been able to find this myself, but missed it. Best regards, Peter Waher -Original Message- From: Philipp Hancke [mailto:fi...@goodadvice.pages.de] Sent: den 2 mars 2014 16:17 To: standards@xmpp.org Subject: Re: [Standards] Last con