Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Extensible SASL Profile

2017-02-08 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Thu, 9 Feb 2017 02:05:35 + (UTC) XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Extensible SASL Profile > > Abstract: This document describes a replacement for the SASL profile > documented in RFC 6120 which allows for greater e

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Extensible SASL Profile

2017-02-08 Thread Sam Whited
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 8:05 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > Title: Extensible SASL Profile > > Abstract: This document describes a replacement for the SASL profile > documented in RFC 6120 which allows for greater extensibility. Some early feedback about the new SASL profile: One of the thi

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Extensible SASL Profile

2017-02-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Extensible SASL Profile Abstract: This document describes a replacement for the SASL profile documented in RFC 6120 which allows for greater extensibility. URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sasl2.html The council will

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0334 (Message Processing Hints)

2017-02-08 Thread Sam Whited
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Christian Schudt wrote: > Aren’t namespaces with a version? I.e. urn:xmpp:hints:0 instead of > urn:xmpp:hints? Just by convention (but I agree, it might be nice to have one just in case a hint ever has to change; although I also think that's unlikely). That being

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0334 (Message Processing Hints)

2017-02-08 Thread Christian Schudt
> 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol stack or to > clarify an existing protocol? Partly. XEP-0079: Advanced Message Processing already solves the same problem. dropforward => no-copy dropstored => no-store > 2. Does the specification solve the problem s

[Standards] NEW: XEP-0387 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2017)

2017-02-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0387 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2017) has been released. Abstract: This document defines XMPP protocol compliance levels for 2017. Changelog: [See revision history] (ssw) Diff: N/A URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0387.html _

[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0352 (Client State Indication)

2017-02-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0352 (Client State Indication). Abstract: This document defines a way for the client to indicate its active/inactive state. URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html This Last Call begins today and shall end at the close of

[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0334 (Message Processing Hints)

2017-02-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0334 (Message Processing Hints). Abstract: This document defines a way to include hints to entities routing or receiving a message. URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0334.html This Last Call begins today and shall end at the

[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0280 (Message Carbons)

2017-02-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0280 (Message Carbons). Abstract: In order to keep all IM clients for a user engaged in a conversation, outbound messages are carbon-copied to all interested resources. URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html This Last Ca

[Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0233 (XMPP Server Registration for use with Kerberos V5)

2017-02-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0233 (XMPP Server Registration for use with Kerberos V5). Abstract: This specification defines the Kerberos principal name of an XMPP server. It also details a method by which a connecting client can determine this Kerberos prin

[Standards] NEW: XEP-0386 (Bind 2.0)

2017-02-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0386 (Bind 2.0) has been released. Abstract: This specification provides a single-request replacement for several activities an XMPP client needs to do at startup. Changelog: First draft accepted by the XMPP Council. (XEP Editor: ssw) Diff: N/A URL: http://xmpp.org/extensi

[Standards] Improving Usability of XMPP Clients from the Bottom - Usability Considerations

2017-02-08 Thread Tobias M
Hi all, Usability of most, if not all, XMPP clients has been subpar compared to similar commercial software in the area of instant messaging and real-time communication. At FOSDEM there were some nice talks about the general topic of usability and design in the Open Source Design devroom [0]. O

Re: [Standards] RFC 6120 vs. XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Dave Cridland
On 8 February 2017 at 08:53, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: > Wed, 8 Feb 2017 08:19:17 + > Dave Cridland wrote: > >> Right, I understand, and largely agree. I might scribble a draft to >> address this, by clarifying what we really meant here. > > I see also two issues here ;) > Yup, I understand wh

Re: [Standards] RFC 6120 vs. XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Ruslan N. Marchenko
On 08.02.2017 21:42, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 20:06:19 +0100 "Ruslan N. Marchenko" wrote: RFC restricts nowhere binding process to this extension Actually it does, Section 14.4: 14 is a namespace section, so apparently it defines namespace relevant to the given RFC. A UR

Re: [Standards] RFC 6120 vs. XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Wed, 8 Feb 2017 20:06:19 +0100 "Ruslan N. Marchenko" wrote: > RFC restricts nowhere > binding process to this extension Actually it does, Section 14.4: > A URN sub-namespace for resource binding in the Extensible Messaging > and Presence Protocol (XMPP) is defined as follows. (This namespace

Re: [Standards] RFC 6120 vs. XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Ruslan N. Marchenko
Allow me to put my two cents On 08.02.2017 09:53, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 08:19:17 + Dave Cridland wrote: Right, I understand, and largely agree. I might scribble a draft to address this, by clarifying what we really meant here. I see also two issues here ;) 1. RFC6120,

Re: [Standards] Summit MIX Decsions

2017-02-08 Thread Sam Whited
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > Different use case, I’m afraid. Remote rosters don’t get to do broadcast > presence. Ah, yes, that's what we were missing. Makes sense; thanks all. —Sam ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail

Re: [Standards] Summit MIX Decsions

2017-02-08 Thread Kevin Smith
On 8 Feb 2017, at 15:16, Sam Whited wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Steve Kille wrote: >> 9. It is agreed that MIX Channels will be represented in the roster. >> >> >> 10. It is intended to mark MIX clients in the roster with a server >> generated annotation, so that MIX clients

Re: [Standards] Summit MIX Decsions

2017-02-08 Thread Steve Kille
Sam, On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:16:00 + (GMT), Sam Whited wrote: On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Steve Kille wrote: 9. It is agreed that MIX Channels will be represented in the roster. 10. It is intended to mark MIX clients in the roster with a server generated annotation, so that MIX cl

Re: [Standards] Summit MIX Decsions

2017-02-08 Thread Sam Whited
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Steve Kille wrote: > 9. It is agreed that MIX Channels will be represented in the roster. > > > 10. It is intended to mark MIX clients in the roster with a server > generated annotation, so that MIX clients can clearly show MIX channels > without needing to do di

Re: [Standards] 2017-01-18 Council Meeting

2017-02-08 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Hi, 2017-01-18 17:36 GMT+01:00 Sam Whited : > ## Consider advancing XEP-0233: XMPP Server Registration for use with > Kerberos V5 > > - Dave Cridland notes that Mili should probably be an author because she wrote > a great deal of that one and that he's happy to LC it as well > - Tobias also is

Re: [Standards] [Council] 2017-01-18 Council Meeting

2017-02-08 Thread Emmanuel Gil Peyrot
Hello, On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:36:02AM -0600, Sam Whited wrote: > # 2017-01-18 Council Meeting > > Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2017-01-18#16:01:18 > > > ## Roll call > > - Tobias (chairing) > - Sam Whited > - Dave Cridland > > Daniel and Link Mauve sent their apologies. > > > ## M

Re: [Standards] On making "Compliance Suite 20xx" a Non-XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Nicolas Vérité
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > On 7 February 2017 at 16:25, Georg Lukas wrote: > Also, who gets to make changes? How are those agreed? > Council, like all XEPs, not much doubt about it. Right? > All a XEP is, is simply a document with a process wrapped around it. > A

Re: [Standards] On making "Compliance Suite 20xx" a Non-XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Nicolas Vérité
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Sam Whited wrote: > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Georg Lukas wrote: > > Can we make the "Compliance Suite" a stand-alone document that is not an > > XEP? > > There is a lot of process around publishing and updating an XEP. It > requires discussion, approval fr

Re: [Standards] RFC 6120 vs. Bind2 XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Ralph Meijer
On 06-02-17 15:53, Marvin Gülker wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 03:25:15PM +0300, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: I guess that's your opinion? Or where is it stated in the RFC? is a mandatory-to-negotiate feature (at least if included), thus, clients MUST NOT ignore it. I tend to agree with this. RFC

[Standards] Summit MIX Decsions

2017-02-08 Thread Steve Kille
This message is to summarize agreements made at the XMPP summit 1. We will take an approach with MIX to provide a core specification into XEP-0369 and to put extensions in associated XEPs to avoid the core getting larger than needed. In future a XEP indicating client and server extensions ne

Re: [Standards] On making "Compliance Suite 20xx" a Non-XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Dave Cridland
On 7 February 2017 at 16:25, Georg Lukas wrote: > Hi, > > today the current Compliance Sutie work was discussed in xsf@ and I > asked again why it needs a new number vs. just updating XEP-0375. This > resulted in some yak shaving, and an interesting, albeit controversial, > proposal: > > Can we ma

Re: [Standards] RFC 6120 vs. XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Wed, 8 Feb 2017 08:19:17 + Dave Cridland wrote: > Right, I understand, and largely agree. I might scribble a draft to > address this, by clarifying what we really meant here. I see also two issues here ;) 1. RFC6120, section 7.1 says: > After a client authenticates with a server, it MUST b

Re: [Standards] RFC 6120 vs. XEP

2017-02-08 Thread Dave Cridland
Right, I understand, and largely agree. I might scribble a draft to address this, by clarifying what we really meant here. On 8 Feb 2017 06:30, "Evgeny Khramtsov" wrote: > Tue, 7 Feb 2017 21:22:17 + > Dave Cridland wrote: > > > On 7 February 2017 at 16:29, Evgeny Khramtsov > > wrote: > > >