Re: [Standards] XEP-0199: XMPP Ping - question on ping timeout

2017-10-04 Thread vaibhav singh
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Florian Schmaus wrote: > On 04.10.2017 07:34, Georg Lukas wrote: > > * vaibhav singh [2017-10-03 15:45]: > >> After Service Discovery is done, the pinging and the pinged entity could > >> negotiate a timeout between themselves (one of them could dictate what > >>

Re: [Standards] XEP-0199: XMPP Ping - question on ping timeout

2017-10-04 Thread vaibhav singh
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On Dienstag, 3. Oktober 2017 19:13:47 CEST vaibhav singh wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi! > > > One of my colleagues is working our XMPP server, and saw an issue which > > seems foreign to me (I am also kind of new to XMPP). > > > > The issue is, in o

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Kevin Smith
> On 4 Oct 2017, at 16:41, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > On Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2017 16:08:43 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: >>> On 4 Oct 2017, at 14:07, Georg Lukas wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kev, >>> >>> * Kevin Smith [2017-10-04 11:43]: Thanks for the write-up. I agree this is a problem worth solving.

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0385 (Stateless Inline Media Sharing (SIMS))

2017-10-04 Thread XSF Editor
Version 0.2.0 of XEP-0385 (Stateless Inline Media Sharing (SIMS)) has been released. Abstract: This specification describes a protocol for stateless asynchronous media sharing with integrity and transport flexibility. It allows clients to provide a good interoperable user experience in combination

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0030 (Service Discovery)

2017-10-04 Thread XSF Editor
Version 2.5rc3 of XEP-0030 (Service Discovery) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for discovering information about other XMPP entities. Two kinds of information can be discovered: (1) the identity and capabilities of an entity, including the protoco

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation)

2017-10-04 Thread XSF Editor
Version 0.2 of XEP-0392 (Consistent Color Generation) has been released. Abstract: This specification provides a set of algorithms to consistently generate colors given a string. The string can be a nickname, a JID or any other piece of information. All entities adhering to this specification gene

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2017 16:08:43 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: > > On 4 Oct 2017, at 14:07, Georg Lukas wrote: > > > > Hi Kev, > > > > * Kevin Smith [2017-10-04 11:43]: > >> Thanks for the write-up. I agree this is a problem worth solving. > > > > Thanks for the feedback! > > > >> I think (3)

[Standards] Council Minutes 2017–10–03

2017-10-04 Thread Sam Whited
Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2017-10-04/#14:59:49 ## Roll call - Tobias (chairing) - Link Mauve - Dave Cridland - Sam Whited daniel absent ## Status of "Compare-And-Publish PubSub Items" ProtoXEP. https://trello.com/c/wi8fgSfa - Flow is preparing a new revision - Will vote on acceptin

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Kevin Smith
> On 4 Oct 2017, at 14:07, Georg Lukas wrote: > > Hi Kev, > > * Kevin Smith [2017-10-04 11:43]: >> Thanks for the write-up. I agree this is a problem worth solving. > > Thanks for the feedback! > >> I think (3) seems like it has nice properties in terms of a single >> round-trip, but I think

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Georg Lukas
Hi Kev, * Kevin Smith [2017-10-04 11:43]: > Thanks for the write-up. I agree this is a problem worth solving. Thanks for the feedback! > I think (3) seems like it has nice properties in terms of a single > round-trip, but I think (2) is the preferable option in practice. It’s > simple to implem

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Brian Cully
> On 4-Oct-2017, at 05:42, Kevin Smith wrote: > > Thanks for the write-up. I agree this is a problem worth solving. > > I think (3) seems like it has nice properties in terms of a single > round-trip, but I think (2) is the preferable option in practice. It’s simple > to implement for everyon

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs)

2017-10-04 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 04.10.2017 09:01, Georg Lukas wrote: > * Florian Schmaus [2017-09-23 11:22]: >> I think I don't understand the benefits from Georg's suggestion, so >> currently one reason against is that it adds more complexity without any >> gain from my PoV. > > I would argue that it reduces complexity by d

Re: [Standards] XEP-0163: depend on persistent-items, node-config and publish-options

2017-10-04 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 03.10.2017 13:43, Matthew Wild wrote: >> On 29 Aug 2017, at 13:27, Kim Alvefur wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:03:37PM +0200, Daniel Gultsch wrote: Now that the PR regarding publish-options has been merged into XEP-0060 I want to bump this thread and ask if anyone objects to tha

Re: [Standards] XEP-0199: XMPP Ping - question on ping timeout

2017-10-04 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 04.10.2017 07:34, Georg Lukas wrote: > * vaibhav singh [2017-10-03 15:45]: >> After Service Discovery is done, the pinging and the pinged entity could >> negotiate a timeout between themselves (one of them could dictate what >> timeout to use, or both parties could suggest timeouts and we use t

Re: [Standards] Problems with IM Message Routing

2017-10-04 Thread Kevin Smith
On 4 Oct 2017, at 07:01, Georg Lukas wrote: > there is a number of open issues with how message routing currently > works for the IM use case, and where it doesn't work consistently > because of different patches (Carbons, MAM) that we have applied over > time to modernize it. > > XEP-0280 has be

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Kevin Smith
On 4 Oct 2017, at 09:19, Georg Lukas wrote: > > Hi, > > TL;DR: checking if you are still in a MUC is broken and needs to be > fixed, either with new IQs or with a new rejoin-if-needed presence. > > > MUC presence tends to break > === > > Most of us have experienced thi

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2017 10:19:47 CEST Georg Lukas wrote: > [… snip: excellent summary of the issue …] > > Proposed Solutions > == > > All of the following change behavior and would need to be feature-coded > in the MUC/service caps: > > 1. Mandate different response codes to

[Standards] XEP-0045 MUC: am I still there?

2017-10-04 Thread Georg Lukas
Hi, TL;DR: checking if you are still in a MUC is broken and needs to be fixed, either with new IQs or with a new rejoin-if-needed presence. MUC presence tends to break === Most of us have experienced this: our client shows us as present in a MUC, but nothing happens for

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs)

2017-10-04 Thread Georg Lukas
* Florian Schmaus [2017-09-23 11:22]: > I think I don't understand the benefits from Georg's suggestion, so > currently one reason against is that it adds more complexity without any > gain from my PoV. I would argue that it reduces complexity by decreasing the number of "unique" message IDs atta