Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Fallback Indication

2019-12-30 Thread Jonas Schäfer
Comments inline. I'm trying a new MUA, I hope it won't butcher this message. 30 Dec 2019 6:58:51 pm Dave Cridland : > Please note Section 2.3 in this document. > Having some clear and consistent mechanism for indicating that, when > heuristically deciding if a message is an "Instant Message",

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: User-defined Data Transfer

2019-12-30 Thread Jonas Schäfer
31 Dec 2019 2:41:31 am Marvin W : > Hi, > > I'd like to express my concern that the purpose of this proposed XEP is > mostly around defining a specific API to library developers. According > to XEP-0001, a Standards Track XEP defines a *wire protocol* intended to > be used as a standard part

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: User-defined Data Transfer

2019-12-30 Thread Marvin W
Hi, I'd like to express my concern that the purpose of this proposed XEP is mostly around defining a specific API to library developers. According to XEP-0001, a Standards Track XEP defines a *wire protocol* intended to be used as a standard part of XMPP technologies. Nothing indicates that a XEP

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: User-defined Data Transfer

2019-12-30 Thread Dave Cridland
For the curious, this relates to the discussion here: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/jdev/2019-September/090402.html On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 13:29, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: User-defined Data Transfer > Abstract: > This

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Fallback Indication

2019-12-30 Thread Dave Cridland
Please note Section 2.3 in this document. Having some clear and consistent mechanism for indicating that, when heuristically deciding if a message is an "Instant Message", systems should ignore the and would eliminate my arguments against using enthusiastically for fallback purposes. So

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Ephemeral Messages

2019-12-30 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 17:16, Philipp Hörist wrote: > hi, > > Am Mo., 30. Dez. 2019 um 17:57 Uhr schrieb Dave Cridland < > d...@cridland.net>: > >> That specification isn't linked from XEP-0384 at all, so how are we >> supposed to be able to tell it affects OMEMO? >> > > You can't, and the XEP

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Ephemeral Messages

2019-12-30 Thread Philipp Hörist
hi, Am Mo., 30. Dez. 2019 um 17:57 Uhr schrieb Dave Cridland : > That specification isn't linked from XEP-0384 at all, so how are we > supposed to be able to tell it affects OMEMO? > You can't, and the XEP does not mandate any specific implementation or protocol version of the non-standard

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Ephemeral Messages

2019-12-30 Thread Dave Cridland
That specification isn't linked from XEP-0384 at all, so how are we supposed to be able to tell it affects OMEMO? On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 17:30, Paul Schaub wrote: > That is true. > The related part of the double ratchet spec is >

Re: [Standards] XSF membership application period Q1 2020

2019-12-30 Thread Dave Cridland
If you like the XMPP Standards Foundation and you want to help it, then join us. If you don't like the XMPP Standards Foundation and you'd rather it changed, then join us. On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 11:39, Alexander Gnauck wrote: > I have setup the membership application Wiki page for the

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Special Interests Group End to End Encryption

2019-12-30 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 14:35, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Special Interests Group End to End Encryption > Abstract: > This document proposes the formation of a Special Interest Group (SIG) > within the XSF devoted to the

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Special Interests Group End to End Encryption

2019-12-30 Thread XSF Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Special Interests Group End to End Encryption Abstract: This document proposes the formation of a Special Interest Group (SIG) within the XSF devoted to the development of end-to-end encryption within the context of XMPP.

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0422 (Message Fastening)

2019-12-30 Thread XSF Editor
Version 0.2.0 of XEP-0422 (Message Fastening) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a way for payloads on a message to be marked as being logically fastened to a previous message. Changelog: Preparation for extending MAM (ks/dwd) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0422.html

[Standards] SIG-E2EE

2019-12-30 Thread Paul Schaub
Hello everyone! During the 36C3 a bunch of people finalized the idea to form a SIG dedicated to end-to-end encryption. The desired outcome of the SIG would be to facilitate development on E2EE related technology within the XSF. Concrete goals include, but are not limited to: * Work on

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0422 (Message Fastening)

2019-12-30 Thread XSF Editor
Version 0.2.0 of XEP-0422 (Message Fastening) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a way for payloads on a message to be marked as being logically fastened to a previous message. Changelog: Preparation for extending MAM (ks/dwd) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0422.html

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Fallback Indication

2019-12-30 Thread XSF Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Fallback Indication Abstract: This specification proposes a mechanism by which message bodies can be marked as being purely for fallback purposes, and therefore to be ignored by intermediaries and anything that understands

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: User-defined Data Transfer

2019-12-30 Thread XSF Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: User-defined Data Transfer Abstract: This specification proposes a simple mechanism by which applications can transfer data safely, without needing additional protocol design work. It is intended to provide a protocol that

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: MAM Fastening Collation

2019-12-30 Thread XSF Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: MAM Fastening Collation Abstract: This specification proposes a mechanism by which MAM results containing fastenings can be collated effectively. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mamfc.html The Council will decide in

[Standards] XSF membership application period Q1 2020

2019-12-30 Thread Alexander Gnauck
I have setup the membership application Wiki page for the application period Q1 2020 Applications are encouraged from developers and others who are actively involved in the Jabber/XMPP community. To apply, create a page about yourself on the Wiki: