Re: [Standards] Stanza ID of outgoing message

2020-09-28 Thread Andrew Nenakhov
Hi, Holger. This is actually a subject we know very much about. From our experience, the absence of mandatory stable message IDs is the biggest design flaw of XMPP as a protocol (resource priorities take the second place), and fixing this was the first thing we did when we started implementing our

Re: [Standards] PR#983: XEP-0060: Disallow '=' and '; ' in NodeIDs to allow use in URIs and refer to PRECIS Stringprep

2020-09-28 Thread Kevin Smith
On 22 Sep 2020, at 17:05, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > > Re: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/983 > > I have a very simple technical question: Why do this instead of ensuring that > special characters are URL-encoded for the node ID in the PubSub URIs? This > seems to be fixing the issue at the

[Standards] Council Minutes 2020-09-23

2020-09-28 Thread Tedd Sterr
https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2020-09-23?p=h#2020-09-23-d48e1db20c2de925 1) Roll Call Present: Jonas, Zash, Daniel, Dave Apologies: Georg 2) Agenda Bashing Zash wonders about Reactions. 3) (No) Editor's Update Jonas is still catching up on things. 4a) PR #983 (XEP-0060: Disallow '=' and ';' in

Re: [Standards] Stanza ID of outgoing message

2020-09-28 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 15:44, Holger Weiß wrote: > * Dave Cridland [2020-09-28 09:51]: > > The implication here is that the MAM messages returned are redundant > data, > > and what we're looking to do is optimize for that case. > > > > However, for all outgoing messages from a session which are

Re: [Standards] Stanza ID of outgoing message

2020-09-28 Thread Holger Weiß
* Dave Cridland [2020-09-28 09:51]: > The implication here is that the MAM messages returned are redundant data, > and what we're looking to do is optimize for that case. > > However, for all outgoing messages from a session which are not the last > messages of that session, any "ack" purely to

Re: [Standards] Stanza ID of outgoing message

2020-09-28 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 11:03, Ruslan N. Marchenko wrote: > Am Montag, den 28.09.2020, 09:51 +0100 schrieb Dave Cridland: > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 16:46, Holger Weiß > > wrote: > > > > > > I think it would be good to find a better solution. > > > > OK, just out of curiosity, why? > > I

Re: [Standards] Stanza ID of outgoing message

2020-09-28 Thread Ruslan N. Marchenko
Am Montag, den 28.09.2020, 09:51 +0100 schrieb Dave Cridland: > > > On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 16:46, Holger Weiß > wrote: > > > > I think it would be good to find a better solution. > > OK, just out of curiosity, why? I for one want that to be formalized. So far the formal response to that

Re: [Standards] Stanza ID of outgoing message

2020-09-28 Thread Dave Cridland
On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 16:46, Holger Weiß wrote: > When opening a new session, MAM clients might want to use the > most-recent known XEP-0359 stanza ID to sync messages. One problem they > face is that there's no way to figure out the stanza ID of outgoing > messages, short of actually querying