Hi Matthew,

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:53 PM Matthew Wild <mwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8 February 2017 at 23:47, Christian Schudt <christian.sch...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> >> 1. Is this specification needed to fill gaps in the XMPP protocol stack or 
> >> to clarify an existing protocol?
> >
> > Partly.
> > XEP-0079: Advanced Message Processing already solves the same problem.
> >
> > drop    forward => no-copy
> > drop    stored => no-store
> >
>
> Maybe the document should go into more detail regarding differences
> with AMP. Some notes:
>
>  - You can implement both specifications if desired
>  - Over 10 years after publication, XEP-0079 is not widely
> implemented, I believe this is largely due to its complexity
>  - XEP-0079 requires multiple discovery steps before you can actually
> send a message
>  - XEP-0079 is relatively difficult to re-use in other XEPs
>  - Lots of edge cases, e.g. interaction with MUC rooms. With hints the
> server is still free to choose the most sensible option given the info
> it has.


Council has Issued another Last Call on 0334¹ and I've been going over
the feedback from the last Last Call.

The Editor will start the Last Call next Monday.

I think it received mostly positive feedback back then and I have no
reason to believe it won’t pass Last Call this time.


However I think you were right that the document should go into more
detail regarding differences with AMP.

Furthermore a little down the thread Dave had feedback wrt hints in
Error messages:

"I noted that messages of type error are explicitly called out in §4.4,
however I think there needs to be a general rule that hints SHOULD be
ignored in messages of type='error'. Possibly MUST. Errors are
sometimes generated by bouncing the entire stanza, including original
contents, back to the sender, and these original contents might
include a hint; it seems sensible to always ignore these."

that also sounds like a sensible addition to me.


Maybe you have the time to make those changes before Last Call even
starts (next Monday)


Thank You

cheers
Daniel



¹: On February 8th 2023
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