Re: [Standards] 33C3 talk on Signal and current XMPP issue in providing a similar UX

2016-12-29 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2016-12-29 23:32, Tobias Markmann wrote: > After > registration, they need to easily/secure/privacy-enforcing fill up their > roster with contacts based on known contact information like phone number > or e-mail address. I suggest to popularise the idea of identical email and XMPP address. Whil

Re: [Standards] 33C3 talk on Signal and current XMPP issue in providing a similar UX

2016-12-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/29/16 4:12 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:32:18PM +0100, Tobias Markmann wrote: Conclusions from the talk and possible actions to address them are: * The XMPP manifesto from 2014 was a nice start and had very visible and noticeable effects, >95% of public XMPP services

Re: [Standards] 33C3 talk on Signal and current XMPP issue in providing a similar UX

2016-12-29 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:32:18PM +0100, Tobias Markmann wrote: > Conclusions from the talk and possible actions to address them are: > > * The XMPP manifesto from 2014 was a nice start and had very visible and > noticeable effects, >95% of public XMPP services require TLS for C2S > connections.

Re: [Standards] 33C3 talk on Signal and current XMPP issue in providing a similar UX

2016-12-29 Thread Tobias Markmann
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Tobias Markmann wrote: > * A lot clients are missing modern features and support for modern XEPs. > We need to provide more incentive for client developers implementing these > newer XEPs. Maybe we should sort the client list on xmpp.org based on > support of the

[Standards] 33C3 talk on Signal and current XMPP issue in providing a similar UX

2016-12-29 Thread Tobias Markmann
Hi all, So @hanno ( https://twitter.com/hanno/ ) did a presentation followed by a short discussion on Signal and how XMPP and other federated systems fail to provide a similar secure and usable system over federated architecture. The slides can be found at https://www.int21.de/slides/33c3-decentra