Re: [Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid

2014-04-29 Thread Georg Lukas
Hello, [this is a slightly modified version of a message that got lost in moderation] * Thijs Alkemade [2014-04-25 16:02]: > Thinking about this a bit more, I actually disagree with this proposal. I second the suggestion to remove or strongly reword section 6. It should keep a reference to XMPP

Re: [Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid

2014-04-25 Thread Holger Weiß
* Thijs Alkemade [2014-04-25 14:57]: > The semantics of receiving a carbon copy should be "hey this other resource > has a conversation going, here's a copy of this message in case you want to > follow along". That might imply, for example, that the client uses a different > way of notifying the u

Re: [Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid

2014-04-25 Thread Holger Weiß
* Christian Schudt [2014-04-25 14:10]: > I've recently implemented XEP-280 for Openfire and have to say I like > the bare JID behavior as it is. > > I don't see a reason to wrap the message in a "forwarded" extension for > the bare JID case. I'd prefer to omit this special casing of messages rec

Re: [Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid

2014-04-25 Thread Matthew Miller
Right; this is what we intended the semantics to be. I think the other proposal is not a good idea. - m&m {mobile} On Apr 25, 2014 6:58 AM, "Thijs Alkemade" wrote: > > On 25 apr. 2014, at 13:32, Kim Alvefur wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > It has been brought up that my Carbons implementation does

Re: [Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid

2014-04-25 Thread Thijs Alkemade
On 25 apr. 2014, at 13:32, Kim Alvefur wrote: > Hello, > > It has been brought up that my Carbons implementation does not follow > the Receiving Messages to the Bare JID¹ section. This section says > include carbons-enabled sessions in the normal forking of messages as > described by XMPP IM².

Re: [Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid

2014-04-25 Thread Christian Schudt
t need to modify their message logic (i.e. unwrap the forwarded message etc.).   Christian   Gesendet: Freitag, 25. April 2014 um 13:32 Uhr Von: "Kim Alvefur" An: standards@xmpp.org Betreff: [Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid Hello, It has been brought up that my Ca

[Standards] Carbons - inbound messages to bare jid

2014-04-25 Thread Kim Alvefur
Hello, It has been brought up that my Carbons implementation does not follow the Receiving Messages to the Bare JID¹ section. This section says include carbons-enabled sessions in the normal forking of messages as described by XMPP IM². What I implemented was instead to send carbons-wrapped mess