Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-24 Thread Philipp Hancke
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: [...] 4. This indeed is the worst of IRC brought to XMPP. Nice! What's needed to bring the *best* of IRC to XMPP? Does the co-authors welcome from http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2010-February/002757.html also apply to old IRC folks? philipp

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-24 Thread Carlo v. Loesch
Dave Cridland typeth: | Let me also clarify - if we could send IM presence once over a link | and have fan-out controlled by a foreign domain, I'd be happy with | it. But I don't think that's a practical option, given that it | requires greater trust between domains, and prevents various

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/24/10 2:31 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: [...] 4. This indeed is the worst of IRC brought to XMPP. Nice! What's needed to bring the *best* of IRC to XMPP? Does the co-authors welcome from http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2010-February/002757.html also

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-22 Thread Philipp Hancke
Dave Cridland wrote: [...] In http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/muc/2010-February/000144.html you say Another distinction between the two approaches is what the core aims are - in PSA-style, it's to provide resilience between servers, whereas in KD-style, it's largely to reduce redundant

[Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Kevin Smith
FYI. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kevin Smith Date: Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:23 AM Subject: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15 To: XMPP Council Agenda: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2010-February/002756.html Log: Sent previously by Peter Scribe: Kev 1) Roll call. Kev,

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Philipp Hancke
Kevin Smith wrote: [...] 8) Distributed MUC http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html Accept as XEP? Kev offers to send around a mail about an alternative approach to possibly update this proposal with. Kev, Matt and Ralph had no objections to publishing as-is, further discussion

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/18/10 6:44 AM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Kevin Smith wrote: [...] 8) Distributed MUC http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html Accept as XEP? Kev offers to send around a mail about an alternative approach to possibly update this proposal with. Kev, Matt and Ralph had no

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Evgeniy Khramtsov
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: 2. Compression makes multicast structures unnecessary. It does? A lot of people are skeptical about the argument oh don't worry about how verbose this is, compression will solve the problem. Indeed. Does anyone have statistics? I think we should rely on

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Nicolas Vérité
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 14:51, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote: 2. Compression makes multicast structures unnecessary. It does? A lot of people are skeptical about the argument oh don't worry about how verbose this is, compression will solve the problem. Maybe that's true from a

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Dave Cridland
On Thu Feb 18 13:44:02 2010, Philipp Hancke wrote: Kevin Smith wrote: [...] 8) Distributed MUC http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html Accept as XEP? Kev offers to send around a mail about an alternative approach to possibly update this proposal with. Kev, Matt and Ralph had no

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Tobias Markmann
On 18.02.2010, at 14:51, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: 2. Compression makes multicast structures unnecessary. It does? A lot of people are skeptical about the argument oh don't worry about how verbose this is, compression will solve the problem. It doesn't make multicast structures unnecessary.

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Dave Cridland
On Thu Feb 18 14:47:22 2010, Tobias Markmann wrote: On 18.02.2010, at 14:51, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: 2. Compression makes multicast structures unnecessary. It does? A lot of people are skeptical about the argument oh don't worry about how verbose this is, compression will solve the

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Fabio Forno
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: 2) Pubsub. Votes outstanding from Dave, Matt, Ralph and Remko. Discussion about iq stanzas for delivery, how they don't give guaranteed delivery, and how XEP-0198 is a solution to the guaranteed delivery problem.

Re: [Standards] Fwd: Meeting minutes 2010-02-15

2010-02-18 Thread Kevin Smith
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Fabio Forno fabio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: 2) Pubsub. Votes outstanding from Dave, Matt, Ralph and Remko. Discussion about iq stanzas for delivery, how they don't give guaranteed delivery,