Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Philipp Hörist
Am Mi., 31. Juli 2019 um 18:20 Uhr schrieb Ненахов Андрей < andrew.nenak...@redsolution.ru>: > The fallback to message reactions is no reactions. If a user is using > a legacy client, message reactions will likely flood his messenger. > Fallback *could* be done via quote of a previous message an a

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 15.07.19 17:57, Jonas Schäfer (XSF Editor) wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Message Reactions > Abstract: > This specification defines a way for adding reactions to a message. > > URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/reactions.html > > Th

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Tedd Sterr
> HELLO I AM REACTING WITH A THUMBS UP EMOJI PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR MUA SO YOU CAN > SEE MY REACTION WHICH IS A THUMBS UP EMOJI BY THE WAY DID I MENTION THAT > THANKS :frowning_face: ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Ненахов Андрей
The fallback to message reactions is no reactions. If a user is using a legacy client, message reactions will likely flood his messenger. Fallback *could* be done via quote of a previous message an appended reaction symbol. But it should not be done at all. ср, 31 июл. 2019 г. в 21:00, Dave Cridla

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 16:43, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 31 Jul 2019, at 16:40, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > > > > On Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2019 22:00:30 CEST Marvin W wrote: > >>> Backward compatibility > >> > >> There clearly have been opposing opinions on that matter. I believe they > >> are partly drive

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Kevin Smith
Blah, I flipped 367 and 372 a couple of times here. I’m fine with using Attaching for this and not References - apply that rule whenever I screwed up the numbers. /K > On 31 Jul 2019, at 16:58, Kevin Smith wrote: > > On 24 Jul 2019, at 21:00, Marvin W wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >>> * Jonas Schäfe

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Kevin Smith
On 24 Jul 2019, at 21:00, Marvin W wrote: > > Hi, > >> * Jonas Schäfer [2019-07-15 17:59]: >> Title: Message Reactions >> This specification defines a way for adding reactions to a message. > > Given the feedback this proposed XEP received, I'd like to drop a few > more comments on the issues

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Kevin Smith
On 31 Jul 2019, at 16:40, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > > On Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2019 22:00:30 CEST Marvin W wrote: >>> Backward compatibility >> >> There clearly have been opposing opinions on that matter. I believe they >> are partly driven by different understanding on how Reactions might be >> used

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-31 Thread Jonas Schäfer
On Mittwoch, 24. Juli 2019 22:00:30 CEST Marvin W wrote: > > Backward compatibility > > There clearly have been opposing opinions on that matter. I believe they > are partly driven by different understanding on how Reactions might be > used in the wild, but I doubt there will be any way to reach c

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-24 Thread Marvin W
Hi, > * Jonas Schäfer [2019-07-15 17:59]: > Title: Message Reactions > This specification defines a way for adding reactions to a message. Given the feedback this proposed XEP received, I'd like to drop a few more comments on the issues raised. Sorry, wall of text ahead. > Referencing messages

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-23 Thread Tedd Sterr
> > We already see, the emojis get less important here and there and are > replaced by "stickers". > Which is already supported in XMPP by XEP-0231 (bits of binary, BoB). > This allows even more childish and silly reactions! > XMPP reactions should support that. > Facetiousness aside, I agree wi

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-23 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Dave Cridland : On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 at 15:52, Georg Lukas wrote: 4. Limitation to Emoji ... Loose agreement here, but also, I suspect people will rapidly want to react in custom ways not expressible in Unicode, so we might want URls or inline media to be possible too. We already se

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-23 Thread Ненахов Андрей
What we think of reactions: - definitely a wanted feature by now - a client must be capable to fetch all reactions from message archive when retrieving a message - there must be a mechanics to pull missed reactions for already retrieved messages. For example, a client has received a message, wen

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-23 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 at 15:52, Georg Lukas wrote: > * Jonas Schäfer [2019-07-15 17:59]: > > Title: Message Reactions > > This specification defines a way for adding reactions to a message. > > This is a long overdue feature. However, I have some principal and some > practical issues with that. >

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-22 Thread Jonas Schäfer
On Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 19:42:22 CEST Marvin W wrote: > > 2. Backward compatibility > > > > This XEP does not provide any way for legacy clients to see reactions. > > This (silently) precludes a large number of users from a subset of the > > discussion. I propose(d) the following addition: > >

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-19 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 19.07.19 19:42, Marvin W wrote: > Hi, > > On 19.07.19 16:52, Georg Lukas wrote: >> This is a long overdue feature. However, I have some principal and some >> practical issues with that. >> >> 1. Referencing messages >> >> This is yet another XEP that creates its own encoding for "this message >

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-19 Thread Marvin W
Hi, On 19.07.19 16:52, Georg Lukas wrote: > This is a long overdue feature. However, I have some principal and some > practical issues with that. > > 1. Referencing messages > > This is yet another XEP that creates its own encoding for "this message > is related to that message". With MAM and "t

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-19 Thread Georg Lukas
* Jonas Schäfer [2019-07-15 17:59]: > Title: Message Reactions > This specification defines a way for adding reactions to a message. This is a long overdue feature. However, I have some principal and some practical issues with that. 1. Referencing messages This is yet another XEP that creates i

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Reactions

2019-07-15 Thread XSF Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Message Reactions Abstract: This specification defines a way for adding reactions to a message. URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/reactions.html The Council will decide in the next two weeks whether to accept this prop