Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-05-30 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 05/30/2012 01:30 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 5/29/12 12:27 PM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: >> On 05/30/2012 12:48 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: >>> On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 00:47 +0700, Sergey Dobrov wrote: I don't actually understand how this XEP can work with generic (not PEP) pubsub? I have to

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-05-29 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 5/29/12 12:27 PM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: > On 05/30/2012 12:48 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: >> On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 00:47 +0700, Sergey Dobrov wrote: >>> I don't actually understand how this XEP can work with generic (not PEP) >>> pubsub? I have to subscribe to each pubsub service which nodes I have >>

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-05-29 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 05/30/2012 12:48 AM, Kim Alvefur wrote: > On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 00:47 +0700, Sergey Dobrov wrote: >> I don't actually understand how this XEP can work with generic (not PEP) >> pubsub? I have to subscribe to each pubsub service which nodes I have >> subscribed to? It's an overhead, isn't it? >

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-05-29 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 00:47 +0700, Sergey Dobrov wrote: > I don't actually understand how this XEP can work with generic (not PEP) > pubsub? I have to subscribe to each pubsub service which nodes I have > subscribed to? It's an overhead, isn't it? Isn't the reverse, ie the pubsub service needs to

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-05-29 Thread Sergey Dobrov
I don't actually understand how this XEP can work with generic (not PEP) pubsub? I have to subscribe to each pubsub service which nodes I have subscribed to? It's an overhead, isn't it? On 05/29/2012 11:42 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > Version 0.3 of XEP-0312 (PubSub Since) has been released

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-05-29 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.3 of XEP-0312 (PubSub Since) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a publish-subscribe feature that enables a subscriber to automatically receive pubsub and PEP notifications since the last logout time of a specific resource. Changelog: Corrected namespace to use nam

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-16 Thread red allert
pls unsubscribe me from your emails From: Joe Hildebrand To: XMPP Standards Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since) On 3/13/12 2:55 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: > On 03/13/2012

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-15 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 03/15/2012 06:30 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 3/14/12 10:42 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: >> On 03/14/2012 09:28 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: >>> >>> It could be used by non-PEP pubsub, by, for example, sending an ago stanza >>> in your subscribe, or by translating it into a subscription option. >>

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-15 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 03/15/2012 09:06 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > On 3/14/12 10:42 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: > > Please make sure you've seen the contacts portion of XEP-292 as well: > > http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0292.html#contacts > > This part is about storing a list of contacts for *myself*, so none of

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-14 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On 3/14/12 10:42 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: > On 03/14/2012 09:28 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: >> >> It could be used by non-PEP pubsub, by, for example, sending an ago stanza >> in your subscribe, or by translating it into a subscription option. > > Yeah, I just mean that it'd be cool to describe

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 3/14/12 10:42 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: > On 03/14/2012 09:28 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: >> >> It could be used by non-PEP pubsub, by, for example, sending an ago stanza >> in your subscribe, or by translating it into a subscription option. > > Yeah, I just mean that it'd be cool to describe such

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-14 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 03/14/2012 09:28 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > > It could be used by non-PEP pubsub, by, for example, sending an ago stanza > in your subscribe, or by translating it into a subscription option. Yeah, I just mean that it'd be cool to describe such way because it will probably use iq and not prese

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-14 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On 3/14/12 1:32 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: > On 03/14/2012 07:04 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: >> On 3/13/12 2:55 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: >> >>> Actually, it's >>> not clear how pubsub service will receive the presence in case of pubsub >>> (and not presence) subscription. >> >> PEP. > > So th

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-14 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 03/14/2012 07:04 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > On 3/13/12 2:55 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: > >> Actually, it's >> not clear how pubsub service will receive the presence in case of pubsub >> (and not presence) subscription. > > PEP. So the title of the XEP can mislead. The other thing that the s

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-13 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On 3/13/12 2:55 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: > On 03/13/2012 12:52 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: >> >>> Another still uncovered thing is how to determine missed notifications >>> in the case of connection failures. >> >> This is really an implementation detail of how the client sets the time in >> th

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-13 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 03/13/2012 12:52 AM, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > >> Another still uncovered thing is how to determine missed notifications >> in the case of connection failures. > > This is really an implementation detail of how the client sets the time in > the ago. > Sure. But how it's suggested to the client

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-12 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On 3/11/12 4:53 AM, "Sergey Dobrov" wrote: > Still have many questions to the XEP. > > It's needed to add some examples of notifications to be sent: > > 1. How to determine that the notification is from the past and not the > current notification? The intent is that it doesn't matter; the clie

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-11 Thread Sergey Dobrov
Still have many questions to the XEP. It's needed to add some examples of notifications to be sent: 1. How to determine that the notification is from the past and not the current notification? 2. Will the server send retracts or node configuration changes notifications from the past? Possibly, t

Re: [Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-11 Thread Sergey Dobrov
Still have many questions to the XEP. It's needed to add some examples of notifications to be sent: 1. How to determine that the notification is from the past and not the current notification? 2. Will the server send retracts or node configuration changes notifications from the past? Possibly, t

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0312 (PubSub Since)

2012-03-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.2 of XEP-0312 (PubSub Since) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a publish-subscribe feature that enables a subscriber to automatically receive pubsub and PEP notifications since the last logout time of a specific resource. Changelog: Replaced jabber:iq:last with a