Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: Message Delivery Receipts and XEP-0333: Chat Markers

2020-03-05 Thread Daniel Gultsch
>> Therefor deprecating/obsoleting XEP-0184 seems like a very bad idea to >> me, I'd rather remove the received/acknowledged feature from XEP-0333 >> and rename it to read markers (which is the only part most implement >> anyway) so we don't have an overlap in features and people stop claiming >>

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: Message Delivery Receipts and XEP-0333: Chat Markers

2020-03-05 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 at 11:45, Marvin W wrote: > XEP-0184 is doing one job, that is to notify the sender when a message > was delivered to the recipient's client. That's literally what the title > is. While in setups with MAM and SM, far less messages get lost, the > pure specification of XMPP

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: Message Delivery Receipts and XEP-0333: Chat Markers

2020-03-05 Thread Andrew Nenakhov
ср, 4 мар. 2020 г. в 16:46, Marvin W : > In contrast XEP-0333 serves a mostly different purpose: it notifies the > sender only of the last received/displayed/acknowledged message. And that is the right way to do it. In the decades of using XMPP intensely I have probably had a dozen of incidents

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: Message Delivery Receipts and XEP-0333: Chat Markers

2020-03-04 Thread Kevin Smith
At the risk of AOLing, I think I agree with pretty much everything Marvin says here. /K > On 4 Mar 2020, at 11:45, Marvin W wrote: > > XEP-0184 is doing one job, that is to notify the sender when a message > was delivered to the recipient's client. That's literally what the title > is. While

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: Message Delivery Receipts and XEP-0333: Chat Markers

2020-03-04 Thread Marvin W
XEP-0184 is doing one job, that is to notify the sender when a message was delivered to the recipient's client. That's literally what the title is. While in setups with MAM and SM, far less messages get lost, the pure specification of XMPP does not guarantee every message to be delivered to the