Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-11-07 Thread Georg Lukas
Hi together, I was kindly reminded to bump this thread, and to ask for actual arguments against moving forward with making 0283 fully-automatic. * Georg Lukas [2018-03-09 17:56]: > Hi together, > > as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from > one account to another,

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Dave Cridland
On 12 March 2018 at 14:44, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On Freitag, 9. März 2018 18:16:25 CET Sam Whited wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 10:53, Georg Lukas wrote: >> > as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from >> > one account to another, or to be able to move a subset of

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Georg Lukas
* Jonas Wielicki [2018-03-12 15:51]: > This only works for mutual subscriptions. Good catch, and you are right that it's not much of a problem for our use case. I still think that unidirectional subscriptions are a horrible result of design-by-committee, but there's not much that can be done abou

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Jonas Wielicki
Hi Georg, Thanks for taking this up. On Freitag, 9. März 2018 17:53:27 CET Georg Lukas wrote: > XEP-0283 "Moved" provides the signaling mechanism to make this possible, > with two "little" issues: > > 1) the Security Considerations spoil all the fun of automatic account > > transfers: > | In or

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Freitag, 9. März 2018 18:16:25 CET Sam Whited wrote: > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 10:53, Georg Lukas wrote: > > as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from > > one account to another, or to be able to move a subset of your contacts > > to another (local) JID. > > What is

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-11 Thread Maxime Buquet
On 2018/03/09, Georg Lukas wrote: > 1) the Security Considerations spoil all the fun of automatic account > transfers: > > | In order to prevent other users from maliciously altering contacts the > | client SHOULD NOT automatically subscribe to a JID when it > | receives an unsubscribe and SHOULD

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-09 Thread Marvin Gülker
Am 09. März 2018 um 11:16 Uhr -0600 schrieb Sam Whited: > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 10:53, Georg Lukas wrote: > > as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from > > one account to another, or to be able to move a subset of your contacts > > to another (local) JID. > > What is

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-09 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Georg Lukas : b) have a tool that will perform "account migration", i.e. you enter the credentials to your old account and to your new account and the tool will automatically move all your contacts from A to B. Only contacts or as much of personal data as possible? What about bookmarks?

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-09 Thread Georg Lukas
* Sam Whited [2018-03-09 18:16]: > What is the use case you're trying to address here? And who do you > expect to use this feature? I see two possible user stories: a) drag&drop friends from your account A to your acount B b) have a tool that will perform "account migration", i.e. you enter the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-09 Thread Sam Whited
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 10:53, Georg Lukas wrote: > as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from > one account to another, or to be able to move a subset of your contacts > to another (local) JID. What is the use case you're trying to address here? And who do you expect t

[Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-09 Thread Georg Lukas
Hi together, as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from one account to another, or to be able to move a subset of your contacts to another (local) JID. One possible side-benefit would be to get rid of the "jabber." substring that's so prevalent in many old server instal