XP is great, but it's not necessarily new. People have been doing rapid
agile development for years and just might not know it by that name. The
real value is the fact that it can be molded for any situation and it's not
the type of methodology where you MUST follow every step. If you can't do
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Kent Beck's book, Extreme Programming Explained, covers all these issues
in-depth. Anyone who's the least bit interested in XP should read this
b
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arises it would get priority. Basically its just a case of applying common
sense.
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From: Kenneth Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 01:35
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I have two que
Kent Beck's book, Extreme Programming Explained, covers all these issues
in-depth. Anyone who's the least bit interested in XP should read this
book first. It's less than 200 pages and covers all the bases.
-Ted.
Stan Baranek wrote:
> ok - devil's advocate:
>
> Open Workspace - done it. grea
Now whenever my boss asks me why Im just watching the
>>screen and not doing anything I can reply: "Im doing XP!")
>>
>>Seriously though, I dont think I could stand using a method other than XP.
>>It would be s inefficient and slow, and troublesome, and error p
I have two questions for those using XP.
1) How is a programmers performance evaluated within the XP pair programming
model? When dealing with humans you will occasionally end up someone that is
simply not measuring up.(everyone on this list excluded of course ;-). The
HR department will want som
thod other than XP.
>It would be s inefficient and slow, and troublesome, and error prone.
>How did people survive before XP
>
>
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> C liff might be thinking of this:
>
> http://strutstestcase.sourceforge.net/
Yep, that's it :)
> -Ted.
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> > From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:36 PM
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: XP (and not the Microsoft kind)
> >
> >
> > Actually, in all the market slump and government
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>Part of my problem is that the nature of open source development has been
>much more "loners communicating via CVS commits" and I grew pretty
>comfortable with that :-).
>
Personally, I'd say you, and many others at Jakarta, practice a lot of
team programming. It's as
slow, and troublesome, and error prone.
How did people survive before XP
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XP is a Communist conspi
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> Actually, in all the market slump and government funding cutbacks, our
> CS department is growing-- dramatically, in addition, it&#
On 16 Aug 2002, Cliff Rowley wrote:
> Date: 16 Aug 2002 22:00:32 +0100
> From: Cliff Rowley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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| It sounds like they are using XP just to go cheap on outfitting the
labs.
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| From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAI
On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 21:19, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> I've used similar pieces of XP's philosophy as well - especially the
> daily integration stuff. (One example is Sun's JWSDP, where I was the
> implementation architect - one of the things we did was build the entire
> thing from source eve
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:17:16 -0500
> From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Why is it that everytime I read Agile/XP related material, I feel
energized, inspired and positive, but everytime I am asked to fill out a
Project Definition Report/Architecture Diagram/Test Planblahblah(TPS
Report)blahblah, I feel drained, suffocated, and wasteful? From the
resources on the art
XP is a Communist conspiracy.
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From: Cliff Rowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:01 PM
A bit of off-topic, but it's Friday, so there :)
Today I read an new article on IBM developerWorks on eXtreme
Programming, in which the author pretty much
>
> Good! You can try version 2.6 with an evaluation key, but instead I
> strongly suggest trying out their latest build (640)--it's amazingly better
> than 2.6. You can get the latest build by joining their free Early Access
> Program (http://www.intellij.com/eap/). The EAP builds also come w
> -Original Message-
> From: Cliff Rowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:32 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: XP (and not the Microsoft kind)
>
> [snip]
>
> Not tried IntelliJ, will go and see what the fuss is
It sounds like they are using XP just to go cheap on outfitting the labs.
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From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:30 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: XP (and not the Microsoft kind)
Our CS program on
On Fri, 2002-08-16 at 19:19, Bartley, Chris P wrote:
> We used it at my old job, and i really miss it. I was *really* skeptical at
> first, but quickly grew to love it. Great way to learn, have fun, and
> actually get a *lot* of work done. We found that even pairing people with
> rather differe
Our CS program on campus is going all XP development. Granted they make
us learn how to do all of the Design/Requirement/Analysis FUD, but our
new labs are all setup for group programming around 2 or 3 monitors at
once in a corner desk. If anything, it makes you write more flexible
code, with le
We used it at my old job, and i really miss it. I was *really* skeptical at
first, but quickly grew to love it. Great way to learn, have fun, and
actually get a *lot* of work done. We found that even pairing people with
rather different areas of expertise (e.g. EJBs vs web tier) still worked ou
We're using some pieces of XP here on our project. I know that they say you should do
all or nothing, but we didn't, so there! :-P
The pieces that we are using (and that we like) are:
1. regular daily integrations and full system builds.
2. A full time business person on the team.
3. some pair
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