On Wednesday 26 August 2015 06:50:20 Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> And then there is Linux. 1/5th of the number of users that Windows has
> (for Subsurface). Even though on Windows there are tons of alternatives
> and on Linux there's nothing else. And we have all the developers here
> mixed into those num
On Wednesday 26 August 2015 17:40:28 Tomaz Canabrava wrote:
> > I don’t know anything about CentOS, but these days I happen to build
> > subsurface on Macs which only have homebrew which should be much more
> > basic
> > than any Linux distribution package manager. But here, I just have to
> > inst
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 07:17, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd love to fix those. Can you point them out to me? When first setting
>> things up I did a few test installs in VMs and all seemed to work fine.
>> But I never tried to build the source rpms, to be honest.
>
> I'm hoping to spen
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 06:58:57AM -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 02:36:45PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Le 26/08/2015 13:21, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit :
> > > >>>Well apparently
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 02:36:45PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Le 26/08/2015 13:21, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit :
> > >>>Well apparently subsurface is now targeted towards Win/Mac[0] (no
> > >>>binaries for Lin
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 09:08:03AM +0200, Sylvestre Ledru wrote:
> Le 27/08/2015 05:33, Michael Gilbert a écrit :
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >> So quite frankly, the fact that Debian people now attack Dirk, who has
> >> been bending over backwards over these kinds
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le 26/08/2015 13:21, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit :
> >>>Well apparently subsurface is now targeted towards Win/Mac[0] (no
> >>>binaries for Linux)... so the "experience" for FLOSS users will simply
> >>>be that there is no
Hi,
Le 26/08/2015 13:21, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit :
Well apparently subsurface is now targeted towards Win/Mac[0] (no
binaries for Linux)... so the "experience" for FLOSS users will simply
be that there is no subsurface anymore.
No, we have binaries available for Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Min
Le 27/08/2015 05:33, Michael Gilbert a écrit :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> So quite frankly, the fact that Debian people now attack Dirk, who has
>> been bending over backwards over these kinds of stupidities, is not a
>> big surprise. I think it's in the Debian DNA
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> So quite frankly, the fact that Debian people now attack Dirk, who has
> been bending over backwards over these kinds of stupidities, is not a
> big surprise. I think it's in the Debian DNA to care more about rules
> than about technical sani
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Mikko Rasa wrote:
>
> Have you considered in-source copies of the modified libraries?
Ehh. That's what subsurface has done since day#1 - even back when I
maintained it (long long ago), I refused to link against a dynamic
libdivecomputer, because the libdivecompute
Hello,
can we please stop?
Christoph, if you want to take over subsurface in debian you can. But
patches that need to be maintained are going to be huge; it is a lot
of work. If you don't intend to do this work you can stop using it,
compile their source code or get their binaries. Either way thi
Since these emails managed to escape my mail filters and catch my
attention, I'll butt in with my opinion. Apologies if this has been
said already.
Have you considered in-source copies of the modified libraries? Perhaps
as git submodules? If you take full control of building and installing
On 26 August, 2015 - Lutz Vieweg wrote:
> On 08/26/2015 09:56 PM, Anton Lundin wrote:
> >There are a bunch of cmake flags to turn some bells off. Most of those
> >are to support different builds of subsurface, like the Android app, but
> >those can be (ab)used to "reduce" your subsurface building
On 08/26/2015 09:56 PM, Anton Lundin wrote:
There are a bunch of cmake flags to turn some bells off. Most of those
are to support different builds of subsurface, like the Android app, but
those can be (ab)used to "reduce" your subsurface building burden.
FBSUPPORT=OFF -> no more facebook share. D
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Robert C. Helling
wrote:
> Lutz,
>
> On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:10, Lutz Vieweg wrote:
>
> I don't know anything about copr yet, and I am kind of sure that the
> way I built Subsurface for CentOS (in a freely relocateable directory
> which holds everything including a
On 26 August, 2015 - Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 17:55 -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
...
> > An application should be able to bring its own libraries for those
> > libraries that it is so tightly coupled with that it makes no sense
> > to
> > allow random combinations.
On 26 August, 2015 - Lutz Vieweg wrote:
> This thread has turned into a bitter fight over "distribution policies"
> vs. "upstream maintainer's freedom of choice", where I see valid arguments
> from both sides as well "too much emotion".
>
> To contribute another view point:
>
> I am using the mo
On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 09:05 -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> Some of us have expressed our dismay with the way distributions work
> these days.
Well to be honest such dismay comes usually always from the same
fraction within open source... which is typically exactly that fraction
which tries to put mor
Lutz,
> On 26 Aug 2015, at 20:10, Lutz Vieweg mailto:l...@5t9.de>>
> wrote:
>
> I don't know anything about copr yet, and I am kind of sure that the
> way I built Subsurface for CentOS (in a freely relocateable directory
> which holds everything including a script which deduces the required
> en
On 08/26/2015 07:52 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
Yesterday I endeavored to build the Subsurface git master head on CentOS,
and it was kind of a nightmare - everything, from
just-one-patchlevel-version-of-
cmake-ahead-of-what-CentOS-delivers, continuing with of course Qt 5 in a
very certain vers
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:33:06PM +0200, Lutz Vieweg wrote:
> This thread has turned into a bitter fight over "distribution policies"
> vs. "upstream maintainer's freedom of choice", where I see valid arguments
> from both sides as well "too much emotion".
>
> To contribute another view point:
>
This thread has turned into a bitter fight over "distribution policies"
vs. "upstream maintainer's freedom of choice", where I see valid arguments
from both sides as well "too much emotion".
To contribute another view point:
I am using the most recent and up-to-date CentOS release, also on the
l
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 06:32:39PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:15:51AM -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > > > Would you help me to get things set up so I can do this? The server all
> > > > of
> >
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:15:51AM -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > > Would you help me to get things set up so I can do this? The server all of
> > > my non-Mac builds run on happens to be a Ubuntu system. Is that an issue?
> > >
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 04:40:43PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 13:40 +0300, Lubomir I. Ivanov wrote:
> > your approach for convincing is offensive and unwise.
> Well if upstreams are effectively hostile against core paradigms of the
> FLOSS community, it must expe
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > Would you help me to get things set up so I can do this? The server all of
> > my non-Mac builds run on happens to be a Ubuntu system. Is that an issue?
> > Can I push things into copr from Ubuntu or do I need to be on Fedora?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:37:01AM -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 04:20:16PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 06:50:20AM -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> > > > I looked quickly over the spec file and I call already tell that the
> > > > spec file
> > >
Hi Pierre,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 04:20:16PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 06:50:20AM -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> > > I looked quickly over the spec file and I call already tell that the spec
> > > file
> > > used would not be valid on Fedora, even more fun the sour
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 06:50:20AM -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> > I looked quickly over the spec file and I call already tell that the spec
> > file
> > used would not be valid on Fedora, even more fun the source rpm doesn't even
> > build on Fedora.
>
> Patches welcome. Please help me make this
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 01:21:21PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > > Well apparently subsurface is now targeted towards Win/Mac[0] (no
> > > binaries for Linux)... so the "experience" for FLOSS users will simply
> > > be that there is no subsurface anymore.
> >
> > No, we have binaries availa
> > Well apparently subsurface is now targeted towards Win/Mac[0] (no
> > binaries for Linux)... so the "experience" for FLOSS users will simply
> > be that there is no subsurface anymore.
>
> No, we have binaries available for Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Mint, and, of
> course, Debian. And we have
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 01:40:44PM +0300, Lubomir I. Ivanov wrote:
> i'm getting the notion that the Linux distribution maintainers are
> simply buthurt for the fact that Linus Torvalds started Subsurface and
> as a peace of software it now no longer obeys the Linux distribution
> rules; it's setti
On 26 August 2015 at 05:38, Christoph Anton Mitterer
wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 17:55 -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
>> Being called stupid and arrogant is usually not a great conversation
>> opener, but hey, I've been called worse.
> Well I should have probably immediately apologised along the wa
> libgit,... well I'm not really into the subsurface code, but I never
> understood why you introduced that as a storage backend.
> Even the most prolific divers I know don't have more then 30k-50k
> dives, and usually these people stopped logging there day to day dives
> decades ago.
> Using a pl
On 08/25/2015 05:10 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Hey.
How saddening to see such a nice program for divers being basically
destroyed by a stupid and arrogant upstream (and while some may
consider this impolite, I guess it's simply the truth).
Humph. The daily PPA works fine for me on Ub
On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 17:55 -0700, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> Being called stupid and arrogant is usually not a great conversation
> opener, but hey, I've been called worse.
Well I should have probably immediately apologised along the way, just
for the sake of politeness...
But the believe to know it m
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 02:10:06AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
>
> How saddening to see such a nice program for divers being basically
> destroyed by a stupid and arrogant upstream (and while some may
> consider this impolite, I guess it's simply the truth).
You are entitled to your op
Hey.
How saddening to see such a nice program for divers being basically
destroyed by a stupid and arrogant upstream (and while some may
consider this impolite, I guess it's simply the truth).
Especially the assumption to know it better than the rest of the whole
opensource world and decades of p
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