[sugar] Organization was Re: A technical assessment of porting "Sugar" to Windows.)

2008-04-24 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Mitch Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A general observation about organizational behavior: > > Organizations do not act coherently to nearly the same extent as > individual humans. Individuals change their minds, act in ways > inconsistent with their state

Re: [sugar] Recursive Signal Loop.

2008-04-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 24.04.2008, at 22:56, Eben Eliason wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > you check the keep property before you set it, and do not touch it i

Re: [sugar] Error when building libabiword-plugins

2008-04-24 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 20:00 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: > On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 16:34 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm building libabiword-plugins on Fedora (soon to be) 9 and I get the > > following error. libstdc++ version is 4.3.0. > > > > Btw, can we update sugar-jhbui

Re: [sugar] Recursive Signal Loop.

2008-04-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.04.2008, at 22:56, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> you check the keep property before you set it, and do not touch it >> if you >> are not going to change it. > > That does in fact sound like a reasonable way to ha

Re: [sugar] Recursive Signal Loop.

2008-04-24 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 04:52:52PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: > I guess so, but that sounds like a pretty terrible hack. I guess I'd > have to set a flag within CollapsedEntry upon the notify::keep > callback, and then check for the state of that flag within the > set_jobject method of the same cl

Re: [sugar] Recursive Signal Loop.

2008-04-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you check the keep property before you set it, and do not touch it if you > are not going to change it. That does in fact sound like a reasonable way to handle it. It doesn't require an extra time around "the loop".

Re: [sugar] Recursive Signal Loop.

2008-04-24 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
I may not be understanding this right, but what if the CollapsedEntry, when it got the signal, checked if it was actually going to have to change the jobject, and if it was already kept, it would just abort? This would quash the signal the second time around - one step more than strictly necessary/

[sugar] Recursive Signal Loop.

2008-04-24 Thread Eben Eliason
Hello, my name is Eben Eliason, and I have a problem... Symptom: The keep buttons in the Journal (the stars) take 1 second or so between being clicked and visually reflecting that change. This is, admittedly, a rather minor problem, but as you'll see, it spells out a larger underlying ugliness.

[sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
Add speaker device and icon by default, as in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#07 --- src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py | 26 - src/model/devices/Makefile.am |4 +- src/model/devices/devicesmodel.py |3 + src/model/devices/speaker.py | 59 ++ src

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:47:11PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:01:52PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > > > > +return self._master.flags & gst.

Re: [sugar] Error when building libabiword-plugins

2008-04-24 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 16:34 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Hello, > > I'm building libabiword-plugins on Fedora (soon to be) 9 and I get the > following error. libstdc++ version is 4.3.0. > > Btw, can we update sugar-jhbuild to use 2.6.2? if someone can upload > tarballs on sugar.abisource

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-24 Thread Kevin Cole
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Peter Krenesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The sugar team has accomplished an amazing amount in the time they've > spent so far. However, there are so many features, like security, that > were not implemented or implemented as well as they should have been.

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:01:52PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: > > I'll /try/ to keep my comments mostly to the UI and leave the code > > review for others. I'll also fail at that to some extent, since I > > have curio

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:01:52PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: > I'll /try/ to keep my comments mostly to the UI and leave the code > review for others. I'll also fail at that to some extent, since I > have curiosities about bits and pieces. > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Martin Dengler > <[

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:13:19PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > I would prefer a true ternary expression (new in 2.5): > mute_item_text = 'Unmute' if self._model.props.muted else 'Mute' Doh -- I forgot we're on 2.5. Of course this is the right thing to do. Thanks. > - --Ben Martin p

[sugar] today's sugar-dev meeting

2008-04-24 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi everybody, there will be no meeting today. Hope we can make it again next week. Best, Simon ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 24.04.2008, at 18:01, Eben Eliason wrote: > > > >> +mute_item_text = self._model.props.muted and 'Unmute' or > >> 'Mute' > > > > This is a tricky ternary stand-in. Very clever. Is it clear enough >

Re: [sugar] what matters

2008-04-24 Thread Sameer Verma
Albert Cahalan wrote: > It's clear that we aren't all here for the same thing. > Some wish to help all kids, or poor kids, or non-Western > kids. Some wish to advance freedom of speech, freedom from > EULA slavery, or freedom to learn heretical ideas. > > Some of us are, assuming good intentions, e

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.04.2008, at 18:01, Eben Eliason wrote: > >> +mute_item_text = self._model.props.muted and 'Unmute' or >> 'Mute' > > This is a tricky ternary stand-in. Very clever. Is it clear enough > for others? It's an abuse of Python, IMHO. - Bert - ___

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: |> +mute_item_text = self._model.props.muted and 'Unmute' or 'Mute' | | This is a tricky ternary stand-in. Very clever. Is it clear enough for others? If you want it on one line, I would prefer a true ternary expression

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Eben Eliason
I'll /try/ to keep my comments mostly to the UI and leave the code review for others. I'll also fail at that to some extent, since I have curiosities about bits and pieces. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +return self._master.flags & gst.inte

Re: [sugar] {OLPC Nepal} Re: [FOSSNepal] Re: Report: OLPC may eventually switch from Linux to Windows XP

2008-04-24 Thread Ankur Sharma
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bibek Paudel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM Subject: {OLPC Nepal} Re: [FOSSNepal] Re: Report: OLPC may eventually switch from Linux to Windows XP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, While I pers

Re: [sugar] Sugar Digest, Vol 22, Issue 85

2008-04-24 Thread Horváth-Militicsi Attila
ncle Negroponte is >> fool nonsense because he now hate Linux. >> >> About Ubuntu, i don't know how to pronounce it. Please teach me as >> well. >> >> Try a survey with your friends or co-workers around. The answer >>

[sugar] Fwd: {OLPC Nepal} Re: [FOSSNepal] Re: Report: OLPC may eventually switch from Linux to Windows XP

2008-04-24 Thread Prakhar Agarwal
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bibek Paudel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM Subject: {OLPC Nepal} Re: [FOSSNepal] Re: Report: OLPC may eventually switch from Linux to Windows XP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, While I pers

Re: [sugar] [Community-news] on Sugar

2008-04-24 Thread Peter Krenesky
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Nicholas Negroponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> For this reason, Sugar needs a wider basis, to run on more Linux platforms >> and to run under Windows. We have been engaged in discussions with Microsoft >> for several months, to expl

[sugar] Error when building libabiword-plugins

2008-04-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I'm building libabiword-plugins on Fedora (soon to be) 9 and I get the following error. libstdc++ version is 4.3.0. Btw, can we update sugar-jhbuild to use 2.6.2? if someone can upload tarballs on sugar.abisource.com I'll be happy to take care of jhbuild modulesets update... Marco g++

Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC

2008-04-24 Thread Simon Schampijer
Bryan Berry wrote: > simon, thanks for your concern > > fixed the customized build problems. All ready for tomorrow. You guys > should realize that about 80% of my time is taken up by logistics. > Testing, organizing XO's, labeling them, etc. I spent 4 hours today > packing the XO's for tomorrow.

Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC

2008-04-24 Thread Bryan Berry
simon, thanks for your concern fixed the customized build problems. All ready for tomorrow. You guys should realize that about 80% of my time is taken up by logistics. Testing, organizing XO's, labeling them, etc. I spent 4 hours today packing the XO's for tomorrow. ah the joy. little time left f

Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC

2008-04-24 Thread Simon Schampijer
Bryan Berry wrote: > Our pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki schools start this Friday and I > couldn't be more excited. This is great! Are there any blockers left on which you could use remote help on? Did you solve the customized build issues you had? Best, Simon

[sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
Add speaker device and icon by default, as in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Frame#07 --- src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py | 28 +- src/model/devices/Makefile.am |4 +- src/model/devices/devicesmodel.py |3 + src/model/devices/speaker.py | 59 +++ s

Re: [sugar] This project is rolling, so should OLPC

2008-04-24 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki schools start this Friday and I > couldn't be more excited. I wish I were there. > I find this discussion about the future of OLPC frankly *annoying* and > tiresome. Ivan and Walter

Re: [sugar] Cerebro released

2008-04-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (sorry for cross-postings) > > The first release of Cerebro is out! > > Cerebro basically offers scalable presence information and a simple > collaboration API. Features currently include: > > - presence i

Re: [sugar] sugar's amorphousness

2008-04-24 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > as the paragraph below is being repeated and translated in newspapers > all around the world, and Nicholas has started sharing his opinions > with the community, I would like to ask a clarification about what he >

[sugar] jhbuild changes

2008-04-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I landed a few sugar-jhbuild changes last weekend. Highlights: * You are better off doing a clean checkout/build. * We are now pulling jhbuild upstream directly instead of using an internal copy. Misc cleanups of the scripts and of the directory structure. * I reworked the sanity check do

Re: [sugar] Ad-hoc Networking

2008-04-24 Thread Morgan Collett
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:27 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Take two such laptops. > > Take them way out into the country so they can only communicate with > each other. > > There are no access points. No laptop is acting as an access point, either. > > Can those two laptops co

[sugar] sugar's amorphousness

2008-04-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, as the paragraph below is being repeated and translated in newspapers all around the world, and Nicholas has started sharing his opinions with the community, I would like to ask a clarification about what he really meant with this and how we could address those concerns. He lamented that an o

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should I be submitting patches that include the Makefile.am changes? > Or does automake magically figure that out for me somehow? > Nope, you have to do it manually. Marco __

Re: [sugar] [patch] corrected Hardy dependencies

2008-04-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm running sugar-jhbuild on Ubuntu Hardy, and Tomeu's recent commit to add > > dependency files for Ubuntu is great except for 3 packages

Re: [sugar] [patch] corrected Hardy dependencies

2008-04-24 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm running sugar-jhbuild on Ubuntu Hardy, and Tomeu's recent commit to add > dependency files for Ubuntu is great except for 3 packages with the wrong > names (I haven't checked Gutsy - might be the same deal there). I've

[sugar] what matters

2008-04-24 Thread Albert Cahalan
It's clear that we aren't all here for the same thing. Some wish to help all kids, or poor kids, or non-Western kids. Some wish to advance freedom of speech, freedom from EULA slavery, or freedom to learn heretical ideas. Some of us are, assuming good intentions, extremely innocent regarding Micro