Re: [sugar] SMS messaging

2008-07-24 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 23 juillet 2008 à 12:38 -0400, Ankur Verma a écrit : I can run a bash/python script upon the reception of the message with the message parameters. This makes it flexible enough to call any application. Then I think you should write a Python application which connect to the

Re: [sugar] SMS messaging

2008-07-24 Thread Ankur Verma
As per our earlier discussion, the method at present is to use roster.py, which you are planning to remove in the next versions. As roster.py also uses Telepathy to get the nicks of XO who have subscribed or are friends, are there any alternative functions which I can use to fetch the list of

Re: [sugar] QUERY REGARDING INTERFACING OF TOOLBAR

2008-07-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, where is the xocom source repository? I know nothing about xocom, but I recommend you to code a simple python-only activity first to familiarize with that part of the problem, and only then coming back to the SocialCalc Activity. Take a look to this activity:

Re: [sugar] SMS messaging

2008-07-24 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le jeudi 24 juillet 2008 à 03:36 -0400, Ankur Verma a écrit : As per our earlier discussion, the method at present is to use roster.py, which you are planning to remove in the next versions. Humm not really. Using the roster is and will always be a sane way to find contacts. But, as you can

[sugar] Sugar mtg reminder, 24rd July 2008 --- 17.00 UTC --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2008-07-24 Thread Simon Schampijer
topics are: * update of the week (e.g. process changes) * roadmap * what are the latest bugs, where can we need help on * introduction of new developers (optional) Best, Simon ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] QUERY REGARDING INTERFACING OF TOOLBAR

2008-07-24 Thread Preeti KS
Thanks for the quick response..The xocom is at http://github.com/lukec/xocom/tree/master I will definitely go through the codes you have sent. After studying that, I will try to get back to SocialCalc again.. Regards Preeti On 7/24/08, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, where is the

Re: [sugar] libabiword, libabiword-plugins, pyabiword and abiword merged

2008-07-24 Thread Jani Monoses
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:34 PM, J.M. Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 22:24 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: Hi all, I've merged libabiword, libabiword-plugins and pyabiword from OLPC with the official Fedora AbiWord package. libabiword-plugins only

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar (kid contributions)

2008-07-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 06:27:59PM -0700, John Gilmore wrote: 2) Sugar would run more smoothly on-XO if jhbuild were retired. I think this is a good point in the abstract. Do any frequent contributors *not* have an XO? I approve of retiring jhbuild, and handing out XO's to Sugar

Re: [sugar] libabiword, libabiword-plugins, pyabiword and abiword merged

2008-07-24 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 13:10 +0300, Jani Monoses wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:34 PM, J.M. Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 22:24 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: Hi all, I've merged libabiword, libabiword-plugins and pyabiword from OLPC with the

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 06:16 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi All, I just got word from a decision maker in Uruguay that they are very concerned about performance. They say that Sugar is slow. The sugar activity developers have been for 2.5 years as well :) [snip] - Activity or main GUI

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread Walter Bender
I am steadfast in the opinion that stability and predictability are much more important goals for 8.2 than trying to make significant speed improvements. Also, do you know what build Miguel was basing his assessment on? -walter On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread Walter Bender
+1 to Marc's comment as well, that was posted while I was writing mine. -walter On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am steadfast in the opinion that stability and predictability are much more important goals for 8.2 than trying to make significant speed

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar (kid contributions)

2008-07-24 Thread Walter Bender
instead of just turtle programs and gooey smalltalk... Cannot let this one slip by uncommented on. Etoys is one place where kids are doing real programming, as a means of achieving fluency about many powerful ideas, not just syntax. But I unaware that children have made contributions to Squeak

[sugar] Reviews report

2008-07-24 Thread Release Team
= New requests = sugar-shell enters in infinite loop after a failed shutdown http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7566 cp: Inconsistent behavior after changing the xo color http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7560 = Approved requests = palettes in journal give false information

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Guys, I need short term options and longer terms options. What do we know already? Where are the bottle necks and how much work would it be to improve them? Stability is key and we're not going to sacrifice that for 8.2.0. Regardless we need scoping on performance improvement options and

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar (kid contributions)

2008-07-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 06:27:59PM -0700, John Gilmore wrote: [some interesting points] Sorry my meta-comments snuck in - they aren't relevant, and I didn't follow my own advice...I retract them (I'm sure you can tell what parts they were). = Do any frequent contributors have ONLY an XO? =

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 06:16:33AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi All, I just got word from a decision maker in Uruguay that they are very concerned about performance. They say that Sugar is slow. I'm probing to get more details but I want to evaluate the options in parallel. Focus is on

Re: [sugar] libabiword, libabiword-plugins, pyabiword and abiword merged

2008-07-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:20 PM, J.M. Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 13:10 +0300, Jani Monoses wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:34 PM, J.M. Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 22:24 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: Hi all, I've

Re: [sugar] Textbook (was Re: [OLPC-Games] Physics --

2008-07-24 Thread Robert Myers
Yoshiki, I don't want sound to be a jerk..., but a game like Asteroids is so right on the sweet spot of Etoys (take a look at the existing Lunar Lander, and think about extending it with better controls and rotation). And, the biggest advantage of that route I think is all scripts can

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Tomeu, Thanks for the info. No change in plan right now. I'm just looking for background info and ideas. Please forge ahead as already planned for now. Thanks, Greg S Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll come back with more

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread Daniel Drake
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 06:16 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi All, I just got word from a decision maker in Uruguay that they are very concerned about performance. They say that Sugar is slow. I'm probing to get more details but I want to evaluate the options in parallel. Uruguay run build 656

[sugar] X error building Sugar Appliance

2008-07-24 Thread Bryan Kearney
I am trying to build a raw disk appliance of the sugar desktop using the appliance tools at [1]. You can see the kickstart file which I am using [2] which is based off of one I found in the repo [3]. I have run into an error when starting X, I get error setting MTRR Invalid Argument (22) error

Re: [sugar] Performance

2008-07-24 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Greg, Here are the areas I can think of: - Activity launch time I know we had some threads on this but I don't know where we stand. Can I get an update and an evaluation of what it will take to greatly improve this? The best thing we can do here is to free up someone to work

Re: [sugar] X error building Sugar Appliance

2008-07-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Bryan Kearney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to build a raw disk appliance of the sugar desktop using the appliance tools at [1]. You can see the kickstart file which I am using [2] which is based off of one I found in the repo [3]. Awesome. I didn't know

Re: [sugar] RTL blocker for 8.2.0?

2008-07-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Greg, you marked one the RTL tickets as a blocker. Is RTL support in general considered a release blocker? If so, probably most or all of the tickets on the RTL tracker bug should be marked as such (and there

Re: [sugar] RTL blocker for 8.2.0?

2008-07-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Greg, you marked one the RTL tickets as a blocker. Is RTL support in general considered a release blocker? If so, probably most or all

[sugar] Low space UI

2008-07-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, we have a few UI blockers assigned for the low space issues. Sugar should provide messages indicating when NAND is getting full and critically full http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7588 Journal writes which fail due to insufficient space should provide useful feedback.

[sugar] Xephyr rpms

2008-07-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, ajax built new Fedora 9 rpms which should contain the fix for Xephyr on x86_64. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=57371 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/pending/xorg-x11-server-1.4.99.906-1.fc9 Marco ___ Sugar

Re: [sugar] RTL blocker for 8.2.0?

2008-07-24 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Guys, RTL is a blocker and it should be all RTL issues unless we can show that they are cosmetic or there is an acceptable work around. The reason they are show stoppers is that we have major Arabic deployments planned for this fall and winter (northern hemisphere). I believe these are

Re: [sugar] RTL blocker for 8.2.0?

2008-07-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe these are regression bugs in that RTL works correctly (better?) in previous releases. This seems very unlikely. We basically never tried to support RTL so far... Thanks for clarifying. Marco

Re: [sugar] RTL blocker for 8.2.0?

2008-07-24 Thread Michael Stone
Marco, Thanks for asking for clarification on this issue. At present, Greg and I disagree about whether this cluster of issues should block the 8.2.0 release and are working with Kim and Robert to resolve our disagreement. However, in order to make good decisions, it would be very helpful if the

Re: [sugar] Textbook (was Re: [OLPC-Games] Physics -- Newtonian, mechanics.. for kids!)

2008-07-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 24.07.2008 um 00:19 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima: I don't want sound to be a jerk..., but a game like Asteroids is so right on the sweet spot of Etoys (take a look at the existing Lunar Lander, and think about extending it with better controls and rotation). Actually, I found it surprisingly

[sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
(Foreword: I originally intended to send this e-mail after the release of 8.2.0, but I have been convinced to send it earlier in order to prompt discussion) Dear OLPC developers, Congratulations on your work so far towards 8.2.0, with its new UI, new underpinnings, and thousands of individual

Re: [sugar] Xephyr rpms

2008-07-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 06:50:25PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Hello, ajax built new Fedora 9 rpms which should contain the fix for Xephyr on x86_64. Thanks - that's awesome. Marco Martin pgpXdhVrtlKb3.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [sugar] Textbook (was Re: [OLPC-Games] Physics -- Newtonian, mechanics.. for kids!)

2008-07-24 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
At Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:23:07 -0400, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 24.07.2008 um 00:19 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima: I don't want sound to be a jerk..., but a game like Asteroids is so right on the sweet spot of Etoys (take a look at the existing Lunar Lander, and think about extending it

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I'm not familiar with the details of the Rainbow implementation, but I question this claim: Sugar, as it currently stands, is among the least secure operating systems ever, far less secure than any modern Linux or Windows OS. I can easily write an Activity that, when run by the user,

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikus Grinbergs wrote: | I'm not familiar with the details of the Rainbow implementation, but | I question this claim: | | Sugar, as it currently stands, is among the least secure operating systems | ever, far less secure than any modern Linux or

[sugar] Sugar mtg minutes, 24th July 2008

2008-07-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, these are the minutes of today's sugar developer meeting. Please check the minutes and complete what I may have missed. http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Meetings#Thursday_July_24_2008_-_17.00_.28UTC.29 Thanks, Tomeu = Update = People is working on bugs, Marco focused on

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 24.07.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: 1. The datastore 2. OS Updates 3. File Sharing 4. Activity Modification 5. Bitfrost 6. Power management Note that half of these items have nothing to do with Sugar, oo the subject line is a bit misleading. - Bert -

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bert Freudenberg wrote: | Am 24.07.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: | | 1. The datastore | 2. OS Updates | 3. File Sharing | 4. Activity Modification | 5. Bitfrost | 6. Power management | | Note that half of these items have nothing to do

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Kimberley Quirk
Ben, I think many people will agree with much of what you have identified in your rant; and we have been working on making the most progress we can given the constraints of the 'real' world: 1 - 350,000 laptops in the hands of kids today. This alone takes most of the resources away from

[sugar] From way out in right field Re: Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Joel Rees
On 平成 20/07/25, at 6:53, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bert Freudenberg wrote: | Am 24.07.2008 um 14:25 schrieb Benjamin M. Schwartz: | | 1. The datastore | 2. OS Updates | 3. File Sharing | 4. Activity Modification | 5. Bitfrost | 6. Power

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kimberley Quirk wrote: | I think many people will agree with much of what you have identified | in your rant; and we have been working on making the most progress we | can given the constraints of the 'real' world: Kim: Though I was obviously trying

Re: [sugar] Activity names vs. types

2008-07-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | At any rate, I will add (I filed a ticket) a sufficiently large (255 | chars?) name field for activities, although I would much prefer | designing this mechanism properly (any suggestions by Sugar(ed) |

Re: [sugar] Activity names vs. types

2008-07-24 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Hi Ben, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: I last discussed this issue with you at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/On_Presence_updates/User_Profiles/Collaboration. ~ I didn't understand your perspective then, and I still don't understand it now. Please be more specific on what part of the activity type

Re: [sugar] Congratulations! but Sugar sucks

2008-07-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: really surprisingly short. Each item on the list has been debated to a stationary point over the last two years, so all that is left is to make a final decision for the engineers to execute. Each task could be