[sugar] [RELEASE] sugar-toolkit 0.82.11

2008-09-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
= Source = http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/sugar-toolkit/sugar-toolkit-0.82.11.tar.bz2 = Closed tickets = * #8626 Icons overlap unnecessarily in crowded neighborhood view. ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] Now YOU can write API documentation

2008-09-24 Thread Morgan Collett
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 04:58, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you can learn to document sugar APIs from the comfort of your own wiki. With the help of Pauli Virtanen, Janet Swisher, and Marco, we now have a wiki based tool for documenting sugar apis! Take a look at

[sugar] Reviews report

2008-09-24 Thread Release Team
= New requests = Jabber server description is ambiguous http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8623 Battery fully charged shows up in error (battery is removed) http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5867 = Approved requests = Icons overlap unnecessarily in crowded neighborhood view.

Re: [sugar] Now YOU can write API documentation

2008-09-24 Thread David Farning
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 13:55 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: thanks david I've started on sugar.network as I went through that code recently. Here's an issue with pydocweb: http://sugarlabs1.xen.prgmr.com/pydocweb/doc/sugar.network.GlibTCPServer/ doesn't show the name of a method starting

Re: [sugar] Now YOU can write API documentation

2008-09-24 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:12, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 13:55 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: thanks david I've started on sugar.network as I went through that code recently. Here's an issue with pydocweb:

Re: [sugar] Now YOU can write API documentation

2008-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:12 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 13:55 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: thanks david I've started on sugar.network as I went through that code recently. Here's an issue with pydocweb:

[sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change this? Drawing the frame animation during tabbing robs us of processor right when we need it, slowing the perceived transition time between

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Erik, Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change this? Sounds good, I'd agree with just removing it completely. The attached patch to sugar optionally disables frame

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:03:01AM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi Erik, Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change this? Sounds good, I'd agree with just removing it

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Garrison wrote: | Hello all, | | On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that | this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change | this? | Another option, which I would prefer, is to show only the

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change this? I disagree that showing the Frame is a bad idea. It

Re: [sugar] Now YOU can write API documentation

2008-09-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:12 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 13:55 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: thanks david I've started on sugar.network as I went through that code recently. Here's an issue with pydocweb:

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 Sep 2008, at 16:12, Erik Garrison wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:03:01AM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi Erik, Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change this? Sounds good, I'd

[sugar] Sugar-meeting REMINDER (Thursday September 25 2008 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2008-09-24 Thread Simon Schampijer
Thursday September 25 2008 - 14.00 (UTC) Form the Sugarlabs Bugsquad At this meeting we want to form the Sugarlabs Bugsquad, the Quality Assurance (QA) team for Sugar. The squad keeps track of current bugs in the sugar software and try to make sure that major bugs do not go unnoticed by

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 Sep 2008, at 16:34, Gary C Martin wrote: I thought there was a bug with the current implementation that has slipped this release cycle. I understood the Frame was to reveal and then as you alt-tabbed you could see the focus move between the Activity instances (i.e. no switching has yet

Re: [sugar] Now YOU can write API documentation

2008-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:12 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 13:55 +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: thanks david I've started on sugar.network as I went

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:25:51AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 06:08:47PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:25:43PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:25:51AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By saving I mean that

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:25:43PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:25:51AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift the frame slides, and how I don't see any screen redraws. The experience is totally more fluid. Does it degrade overall performance? If not much, and if that performance degradation could be recovered in another

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
On 24 Sep 2008, at 18:25, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift the frame slides, and how I don't see any screen redraws. The experience is totally more fluid. Does it degrade overall performance? If not much, and if that

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift the frame slides, and how I don't see any screen redraws. The experience is totally more fluid. Does it degrade overall performance? If

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Sep 2008, at 18:25, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift the frame slides, and how I don't see any screen redraws. The experience is totally more

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Good grief ! Do we have observations of how users (students) navigate? Are they using the frame to do all navigation (e.g. by pressing the frame button to reveal it or mousing to a corner)? Or are they alt+tabbing everywhere? I'm not a kid. I wish that someone *would* observe students, and

[sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:51:30PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift the frame slides, and how I don't see any screen redraws. The

Re: [sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:51:30PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift

Re: [sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:51:30PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, just tried Erik's instructions for using xcompmgr, and it's amazing how swift

Re: [sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:43:02AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: FWIW, sometime back, I did some benchmarks with a composite enabled Metacity - results at http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar@lists.laptop.org/msg03613.html Jim had suggested some memory saving tricks at

Re: [sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:43:02AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: FWIW, sometime back, I did some benchmarks with a composite enabled Metacity - results at

[sugar] alt-tabbing to the Journal

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
A thought which has come up a few times in my exploration of activity switching performance, and a few times in conversations on the sugar list, is that the Journal shouldn't be included in the set of activities which can be alt+tab'ed to. The most compelling rationale is that there is already a

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:16:17PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: We all agree that the datastore needs serious attention, although it doesn't directly impact the running of legacy activities. Rainbow is an issue. And moving data back and forth between Sugar and legacy apps is an issue. Please say

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:16:17PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: We all agree that the datastore needs serious attention, although it doesn't directly impact the running of legacy activities. Rainbow is an issue. And moving data back and forth between Sugar and legacy apps is an issue. But I'll

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread Walter Bender
Erik introduced the Journal/datastore to this thread about modifying the approach Sugar has taken to WM in order to better support legacy applications, The Gimp being everyone's favorite example. I am simply suggesting that the WM is--while not the least of our problems--less of an issue than

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-24 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of an issue than resolving incompatibilities between libraries (The Gimp pulls in all sorts of stuff and Inkscape tries to pull in incompatible libraries, such as an old version of poppler), No longer the case.

[sugar] [RELEASE] Calculate 25

2008-09-24 Thread Reinier Heeres
Hi, I released a new version of Calculate, it's available at: http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/calculate/Calculate-25.xo Sources are at: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/calculate-activity/Calculate-25.tar.bz2 NEWS entries: * Spell 'license' correctly Regards, -- Reinier Heeres

Re: [sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernie has talked about some wm hints that can be set on windows so they get unredirected and thus their offscreen pixmaps released. Not sure if matchbox would support them, though. Related with all this is the decision to

Re: [sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd vote for activating composition ASAP once we have a 9.1 joyride branch and see how we can find the sweetest spot between speed and memory usage. I agree. There also may be bugs which we need to shake out. If this

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK, the only tradeback (and the reason why it hasn't been activated yet) is that we must pay composition with increased memory usage. Composition basically saves us unnecessary redraws by keeping in memory copies of the

Re: [sugar] composite memory usage [was Re: frame auto-visibility configuration]

2008-09-24 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Just to follow-up with trying it, while at first the feeling of using composition was of a more responsive system, I did see performance degrade as I launched more activities and used it more. The saving grace was that there never was any ugly visual redraws (other than when a new activity is

Re: [sugar] [RELEASE] Calculate 25

2008-09-24 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Reinier, On 24 Sep 2008, at 22:20, Reinier Heeres wrote: Hi, I released a new version of Calculate, it's available at: http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/calculate/Calculate-25.xo Sources are at: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/calculate-activity/Calculate-25.tar.bz2 NEWS entries:

Re: [sugar] [RELEASE] Calculate 25

2008-09-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 24.09.2008 um 15:54 schrieb Gary C Martin: Not sure why but for me SW update is not picking up v25 (I have v24 installed). I checked the wiky Activities page but you seem to have that set fine (SW update looks there by default). I'm wondering if your update_url =

[sugar] Congrats to Telepathy

2008-09-24 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Congratulations are in order, I think, for the Telepathy developers. Gnome 2.24 was just released, and from http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/ GNOME 2.24 announces the inclusion of an instant messaging client based off the Telepathy

Re: [sugar] Composition -- we've been here before!

2008-09-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 24.09.2008 um 16:46 schrieb Michael Stone: Folks, We've been over this ground before -- have any of the old bugs been fixed? [...] http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6759 At least this one has been fixed 4 months ago. - Bert - ___ Sugar mailing

Re: [sugar] Composition -- we've been here before!

2008-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 09:45:44PM -0700, Bert Freudenberg wrote: At least this one has been fixed 4 months ago. Sure. I brought it up because, to me, it serves as a useful reminder of the careful regression test that enabling composition will require and of how few people really understand how