[sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, I started work on a Screencast activity tonight. It's a frontend to recordMyDesktop, which is the program Scott used for his screencasts. Having a program on the XO that's capable of preparing shareable tutorials could help out a lot with support, by allowing walkthroughs to be prepared by

Re: [sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started work on a Screencast activity tonight. It's a frontend to recordMyDesktop, which is the program Scott used for his screencasts. Having a program on the XO that's capable of preparing shareable tutorials could

[sugar] Proposed: Cerebro status meeting

2008-10-17 Thread Morgan Collett
I'd like to catch up on the progress of Cerebro, telepathy-synapse and other ideas for scalable link local presence before we get into planning this feature for Sugar 0.84: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/0.84/Collaboration#Scalable_link_local_presence Can we have a meeting next week to

Re: [sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread Erik Blankinship
We wrote a screencasting library a while back. It might be useful to whoever shepherds this type of library to compare implementations. Here is what the sample activity does with the library: - Click to start recording a screencast. - Type something witty that you want recorded. - Click

Re: [sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started work on a Screencast activity tonight. It's a frontend to recordMyDesktop, which is the program Scott used for his screencasts. Having a program on the XO that's capable of preparing shareable tutorials could

Re: [sugar] Proposed: Cerebro status meeting

2008-10-17 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Hi Morgan, I'm available. Pol On 10/17/2008 07:45 AM, Morgan Collett wrote: I'd like to catch up on the progress of Cerebro, telepathy-synapse and other ideas for scalable link local presence before we get into planning this feature for Sugar 0.84:

[sugar] [ANNOUNCE] Gadget 0.0.2 released

2008-10-17 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
The Monster Lake release. Highlights: - Support for constraining activity search results. - Various bug fixes. - Adds load simulation tools for testing purposes. - Support for multi criteria search. Tarballs: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/gadget/ G.

[sugar] Sugar, collaboration and LTSP on Ubuntu

2008-10-17 Thread David Van Assche
Hi there, with the generous help from #sugar devs I managed to get ltsp, sugar and collaboration via ejabberd working on Ubuntu. This is really exciting as it means walking into an existing networked lab with a laptop, connecting it to the LAN, firing up sugar and letting all the terminals enjoy

[sugar] Clipboard errata (patches)

2008-10-17 Thread Eben Eliason
This is a set of patches I worked on recently, and need to rebase on the latest jhbuild before I post them officially. I wanted to expose them for comments before I put in that effort, since there are no doubt other things that will need to be changed upon review. Thanks! - Eben PS. I just

Re: [sugar] Sugar, collaboration and LTSP on Ubuntu

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:10 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi there, with the generous help from #sugar devs I managed to get ltsp, sugar and collaboration via ejabberd working on Ubuntu. This is really exciting as it means walking into an existing networked lab with a

Re: [sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread Gary C Martin
On 17 Oct 2008, at 14:01, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * We should avoid having the activity itself be present in the videos; perhaps by minimizing it immediately before starting recording, and then setting up a globally-bound

Re: [sugar] Clipboard errata (patches)

2008-10-17 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a set of patches I worked on recently, and need to rebase on the latest jhbuild before I post them officially. I wanted to expose them for comments before I put in that effort, since there are no doubt other things

Re: [sugar] Clipboard errata (patches)

2008-10-17 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a set of patches I worked on recently, and need to rebase on the latest jhbuild before I post them officially. I wanted to expose them for

[sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Luke Faraone
Hey all, I've been working on packaging Sugar for Ubuntu, and have looked forward to what will be Sugar (and Ubuntu )'s next release cycle. Per http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap , it seems that the first release candidate of Sugar will be out on Feb. 13th. Afterward, I take it there

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been working on packaging Sugar for Ubuntu, and have looked forward to what will be Sugar (and Ubuntu )'s next release cycle. Per http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap , it seems that the first release candidate

Re: [sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Recordmydesktop is using /tmp as an intermediate location, which means that a long screencast runs the XO into OOM (or worse). export TMPDIR=$HOME/instance in your wrapper should help a lot here. * It reuses the icon

Re: [sugar] Another Journal Ideas

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Yes, what you've described is more-or-less the plan of record: don't store any metadata which can be extracted from the actual content, and use plugins in the indexing service to extract interesting metadata from a variety of real formats. The few bits of metadata which can't be representing in

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been working on packaging Sugar for Ubuntu, and have looked forward to what will be Sugar (and Ubuntu )'s next release cycle. Per http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap , it seems that the first

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 7:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I expect that a concrete schedule will be hammered out during the Nov 17 joint OLPC 9.1/Sugarlabs 0.84 planning meeting. I hope that OLPC's schedule will not drift much from Sugarlab's, because it is counterproductive

Re: [sugar] Call for Proposals for OLPC miniconference November 17-21, 2008

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An OLPC miniconference will be held November 17-21, 2008 at our Cambridge offices (10th floor, 1 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, USA) [...] Please submit proposals for topics to cover. These may include, but are not limited

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually feature freeze is 21 December. We might decide to push it off a bit, but I don't think it will go after 18 February. So I think we are good in respect of Ubuntu schedule! Hm. Looks like OLPC will skip 0.84

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Journal, reloaded.

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
As described at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_reloaded, I've been working on some next generation Journal code, borrowing liberally from ideas presented by many people. I will present the current status of the work, solicit ideas and feedback, and propose a roadmap for getting as much as

Re: [sugar] Another Journal Ideas

2008-10-17 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Thank you, Scott! Yes, what you've described is more-or-less the plan of record: don't store any metadata which can be extracted from the actual content, and use plugins in the indexing service to extract interesting metadata from a variety of real formats. Good. So I wasn't so off. I

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually feature freeze is 21 December. We might decide to push it off a bit, but I don't think it will go after 18 February. So I think

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'd like to present a few areas where sugar can play nice with others, including: * replacing the matchbox window manager, to provide better multiple-window support for legacy apps (think of the 'gimp', running as multiple windows without one full-screen activity area aka virtual desktop) *

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Improving antitheft

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'd like our antitheft support to be more of a feature which G1G1 users could elect to enable, if they like. This involved making it much more visible and configurable, most likely putting it in the control panel. The idea is if you are taking a trip or leaving home for a few days, you could

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Update improvements

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'd like to make a presentation on how our current update mechanism works, and outline a plan for some improvements. * Real COW for pristine versions, allowing... ticket #3581 * ...binary-diff updates over http (avoiding rsync in many cases) ticket #4259, etc * Integration of core OS

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * making sugar behave well when run in non-full-screen-mode under metacity. This includes refactoring home/friends/mesh view as operations on root window, so they make sense in a multiwindow setup. (It's been

[sugar] Joyride is open for development!

2008-10-17 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, I noticed an IRC conversation this morning asking whether Joyride is open for 9.1 development -- after checking with Scott and Michael, the answer is that it absolutely is. Please don't push broken code, though, since we'd like Joyride to remain usable for everyone. The current plan is to

Re: [sugar] Joyride is open for development!

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current plan is to wait until F10 is released (end of November) before rebasing Joyride onto it. But the decision to rebase has been made? Thanks, Marco ___ Sugar mailing list

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually feature freeze is 21 December. We might decide to

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread pgf
can we stop referring to anything non-sugary as a legacy app. i'd submit that we all use dozens of such apps every day, most of which are in no danger of going away anytime soon. :-) how about referring to them as existing X11 apps. paul c. scott ananian wrote: I'd like to present a few

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually feature freeze is 21 December. We might decide to

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we stop referring to anything non-sugary as a legacy app. i'd submit that we all use dozens of such apps every day, most of which are in no danger of going away anytime soon. :-) I'm using standard desktop applications :) Marco

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we stop referring to anything non-sugary as a legacy app. i'd submit that we all use dozens of such apps every day, most of which are in no danger of

Re: [sugar] Feature freeze for 0.84

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hammer this out in person at the planning meeting, because it depends on OLPC picking a release date. Yeah, make sense. As I said, I think we (as SL) should defer decisions about the freeze slip until the

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Erik Garrison
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:07:58PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I'd like to present a few areas where sugar can play nice with others, including: * replacing the matchbox window manager, to provide better multiple-window support for legacy apps (think of the 'gimp', running as multiple

Re: [sugar] Joyride is open for development!

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2008/10/17 Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current plan is to wait until F10 is released (end of November) before rebasing Joyride onto it. But the decision to rebase has been made? Well, I believe Michael,

[sugar] telepathy-glib and glib 2.16 dependency

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, commit dd2c13d56672d7ff7e69f59138c1bf3493e3dddf Author: Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Oct 17 17:37:36 2008 +0100 upgrade to telepathy-glib 0.7.17 This adds a dependency on glib 2.16. It would mean to drop support for Fedora 8 and the equivalent Ubuntu version. My

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart from the window manager stuff - something I will probably be working on is support for standard .desktop files - which are used to generate the main menu entries in standard desktops. Any .desktop file installed

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:45 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we could also investigate the use of the xdg utilities for managing mimetype associations and installing activities? Good point. I've

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Security and Isolation

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I'm proposing a talk I really want Michael Stone to give. But I'm willing to lead off with a short talk on things I'd like to see in 9.1: * Implementation of P_SF_CORE, P_SF_RUN * Validating new versions of an activity. * Mechanism to validate updates to loopholed activities allow

[sugar] simple hacks to improve the performance of the Sugar UI

2008-10-17 Thread Erik Garrison
XO Users, In short, I have bundled a set of 'hacks' which generally (and in my observation, dramatically) improve the user-perceived responsiveness of the Sugar UI. The hack bundle is available at http://dev.laptop.org/~erik/faster-hacks.zip I write requesting independent evaluation of the

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way it's done right now is to copy mime information to ~/.local at installation time. I know. I personally don't like requiring an installation step, and I think it might be easier to keep the random bits of XDG

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Translation improvements

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I expect Sayamindu can probably give a better talk than me on this. But I'm willing to give a short talk on translation things I'd like to see in 9.1: * multiple languages, multiple places: translation system should look in local, then activity, then system translation tables, then repeat for

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Translation improvements

2008-10-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 C. Scott Ananian wrote: I expect Sayamindu can probably give a better talk than me on this. But I'm willing to give a short talk on translation things I'd like to see in 9.1: * multiple languages, multiple places: translation system should

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Asynchronous internet

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I've wanted to see a consistent off-line caching architecture in our system for a while. Some ideas: * Integration of wwwoffle with small local cache * Content bundles to seed that cache * Mechanism to request downloads later Basically, I'd like to unify the Wikibrowse activity,

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Translation improvements

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C. Scott Ananian wrote: I expect Sayamindu can probably give a better talk than me on this. But I'm willing to give a short talk on translation things I'd like to see in 9.1: * multiple languages, multiple

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Fedora integration

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
This is another talk I'd really rather someone else give, but I can give a brief talk on our current status problems desires if it is helpful. OLPC has forks of a number of Fedora packages, for a number of reasons. We've been trying to keep better track of the what why, at

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Asynchronous internet

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Installing a content bundle should be almost exactly the same thing as installing new content into the offline cache, with only some small hook for making it appear in the XO home page. Much of the fancy I had a number

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Journal, reloaded.

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:59 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As described at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_reloaded, I've been working on some next generation Journal code, borrowing liberally Other ideas from my Journal improvements to-do list: * Proper display of 'new

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Printing support

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
We should consider adding basic Print support for 9.1. In the past this has foundered on questions like, what brand(s) of printers? what connection mechanism? It seems impossible to support every printer and every connection mechanism in a reasonable amount of NAND space. *But*, we should be

[sugar] [9.1 Proposal] i18n and l10n: 9.1 and beyond

2008-10-17 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello, I would like to talk on some of the enhancements that some of us have been speaking about the i18n/l10n on the XO. The areas I would like to cover include: a) Input methods: Out current input system (XKB) is not enough for Chinese/Japanese/Korean, and even existing customers like Ethiopia

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Legacy compatibility.

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way it's done right now is to copy mime information to ~/.local at installation time. I know. I personally don't like requiring an

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Translation improvements

2008-10-17 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 1:28 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect Sayamindu can probably give a better talk than me on this. But I'm willing to give a short talk on translation things I'd like to see in 9.1: * multiple languages, multiple places: translation system

Re: [sugar] [9.1 Proposal] i18n and l10n: 9.1 and beyond

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) Language packs: The current system of language packs is not very reliable (it overwrites the original translations in the system, installations cannot be easily undone, no versioning, etc). I want to switch to a

Re: [sugar] [K12OSN] Sugar, collaboration and LTSP on Ubuntu

2008-10-17 Thread David Farning
Great Work David! How long do you think it will take to push modified ejabber .debs through the Ubuntu packaging process? thanks David On 10/17/2008, 11:10, David Van Assche ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:Hi there, with the generous help from #sugar devs I managed to get ltsp, sugar and

Re: [sugar] [9.1 Proposal] i18n and l10n: 9.1 and beyond

2008-10-17 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) Language packs: The current system of language packs is not very reliable (it overwrites the original translations in the system,

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Translation improvements

2008-10-17 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gah - I just submitted a proposal ;-). Maybe we can have a joint talk ? Multiple talks on the same topic are great! There's no problem there. Marco's going to give a talk on the legacy app support and I hope you'll

Re: [sugar] simple hacks to improve the performance of the Sugar UI

2008-10-17 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Friday 17 October 2008 17:56:05 Erik Garrison wrote: XO Users, In short, I have bundled a set of 'hacks' which generally (and in my observation, dramatically) improve the user-perceived responsiveness of the Sugar UI. The hack bundle is available at

Re: [sugar] simple hacks to improve the performance of the Sugar UI

2008-10-17 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Saturday 18 October 2008 03:35:14 Andrés Ambrois wrote: Here are a couple of more patches for your bag of tricks: *Gah* forgot the attachments -- -Andrés --- tabbinghandler.py.bak 2008-10-17 20:04:11.0 + +++ tabbinghandler.py 2008-10-18 00:19:06.0 + @@ -15,6

Re: [sugar] simple hacks to improve the performance of the Sugar UI

2008-10-17 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Saturday 18 October 2008 03:45:49 Andrés Ambrois wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2008 03:35:14 Andrés Ambrois wrote: Here are a couple of more patches for your bag of tricks: *Gah* forgot the attachments Its almost 4 am here, please bear with me... Scratch that first one, here is