Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Cleaning up 0.86 Roadmap page

2009-07-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/16/2009 03:32 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > On 7/15/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 22:09, Caroline Meeks >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Should some of the ideas here be on the list? >>> >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals >>> >>> >>> Solid Collaboration - may

[Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1

2009-07-15 Thread Bastien
Seth, do you have time to fix this? Thanks! --- Begin Message --- Hi Seth, do you know how to fix this? I don't speak python (yet). Thanks in advance for any feedback. best, /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Helpfr-4

2009-07-15 Thread Bastien
Sugar Labs Activities writes: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4195 > > Release notes: > > > Reviewer comments: > Sorry, for long reply. No problem. > I've pushed it to 0.82 because it works fine in 0.82 env. but doesn't > start in 0.84 see #1065 I know, I've asked Seth Woodworth about

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Helpfr-4

2009-07-15 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Url: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4195 Release notes: Reviewer comments: Sorry, for long reply. I've pushed it to 0.82 because it works fine in 0.82 env. but doesn't start in 0.84 see #1065(btw whats your nick on dev.sugarlags.org) Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.or

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Version variable

2009-07-15 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:05:00PM -0500, David Farning wrote: > Is there a good way to determine which version of sugar is running so > it can be passed to update-control? for 0.84+ - jarabe.config.version for 0.82 - shell.config.version -- Aleksey __

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-07-15

2009-07-15 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:20:36PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > 8. Aclso heck out Aleksey's work on the datastore > [http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/versionsupport-project/repos/mainline/blobs/raw/1261a49d3e97c827b86acb48f64ab85c722e8fdf/datastore-redesign.html]. I guess it was sascha_silbe :)

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-07-15

2009-07-15 Thread Walter Bender
===Sugar Digest=== 1. As is evident from Gary Martin's SO map of this past week of discussion on the IAEP mailing list, the pilot programs that Caroline Meeks and I are running at the Gardner Pilot Academy and the Lilla G. Fredrick Pilot Middle School are foremost on my mind. We are working with t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Cleaning up 0.86 Roadmap page

2009-07-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
On 7/15/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 22:09, Caroline Meeks > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Should some of the ideas here be on the list? > > > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals > > > > > > Solid Collaboration - maybe just being able to easily see in the UI and >

Re: [Sugar-devel] testing sugar on debian

2009-07-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 04:15:23PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >just installed squeeze and sugar-0.84. Which options have users to run >Sugar? Should we expect them to use a display manager? For now, the package sugar-0.84 provides the following way

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Version variable

2009-07-15 Thread David Farning
Is there a good way to determine which version of sugar is running so it can be passed to update-control? -- David Farning Sugar Labs www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/suga

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Cleaning up 0.86 Roadmap page

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 22:09, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Hi, > > Should some of the ideas here be on the list? > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals > > > Solid Collaboration - maybe just being able to easily see in the UI and > change whether you are collaborating locally or throug

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Jul 2009, at 17:07, Lucian Branescu wrote: > Here it is > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac#How_do_I_create_a_text_box_for_code_editing.3F Thanks Lucian, I've been watching this thread from the sidelines. I for one would LOVE the current 'view source' view to become a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Cleaning up 0.86 Roadmap page

2009-07-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi, Should some of the ideas here be on the list? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals - Solid Collaboration - maybe just being able to easily see in the UI and change whether you are collaborating locally or through a Jabber Server. - Straightforward Teacher "Assignmen

[Sugar-devel] GPA School Notes Wed. July 15 - GS

2009-07-15 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, Here are my notes from today's class. Anurag will send out notes on what we did in class so I will focus on UI and usability comments. I also recorded the post class warm/cold comments. Sorry I didn't get a chance to get on IRC after the class as planned. We got "local" collaboration work

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA School Visit report for Tuesday July 14

2009-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > To minimize this risk, for the first run of Sugar Labs branded sticks > I had chosen an LED-equipped model, everybody including kids can > figure out what to do / not do depending on light status. That's intuitive but... not quite true right now.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Request to add webkitgtk as a external dependency

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:28, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 15 Jul 2009, at 14:22, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> 2009/7/14 Sayamindu Dasgupta : >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Sascha >>> Silbe wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 06:10:12PM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >>>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Request to add webkitgtk as a external dependency

2009-07-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Jul 2009, at 14:22, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > 2009/7/14 Sayamindu Dasgupta : >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Sascha >> Silbe wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 06:10:12PM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >>> Since the version of pywebkitgtk shipped in both Fedora and Ubun

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Lucian Branescu
Here it is http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac#How_do_I_create_a_text_box_for_code_editing.3F 2009/7/15 Lucian Branescu : > Sure, I'll put it on the wiki, then. > > About editing userscripts, I'll resort to overriding the default View > Source, at least for now. > > 2009/7/15 To

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [DESIGN] neighborhood list view

2009-07-15 Thread Bobby Powers
I'm not sure how it should look, but I think its a great idea! bp On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi all, > > as part of the work needed in making Sugar presence UI scale beyond a > couple dozens of users, I have proposed the following feature for > 0.86: > > http://wiki

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA School Visit report for Tuesday July 14

2009-07-15 Thread Sean DALY
To minimize this risk, for the first run of Sugar Labs branded sticks I had chosen an LED-equipped model, everybody including kids can figure out what to do / not do depending on light status. Unfortunately, SD Cards which represent a cheaper and more robust form factor in particular for netbooks

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Lucian Branescu
Sure, I'll put it on the wiki, then. About editing userscripts, I'll resort to overriding the default View Source, at least for now. 2009/7/15 Tomeu Vizoso : > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 17:09, Lucian Branescu > wrote: >> Alright then. I'm unfamiliar with policies about code duplication in >> sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 17:09, Lucian Branescu wrote: > Alright then. I'm unfamiliar with policies about code duplication in > sugar and activity code. If duplication is ok, then my proposal is > moot :) Ignore and move along. Is not ok, it's bad, but avoiding code duplication has a cost that need

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Lucian Branescu
Alright then. I'm unfamiliar with policies about code duplication in sugar and activity code. If duplication is ok, then my proposal is moot :) Ignore and move along. 2009/7/15 Tomeu Vizoso : > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 19:09, Lucian Branescu > wrote: >> I've attached a file with a SourceView class

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora

2009-07-15 Thread Philippe Clérié
Thanks for the suggestions. In the meantime I found that the last session automatically becomes the default so that's cool. I also found that I could change the keyboard at login. So I'm covered here too. Thanks -- Philippe -- The trouble with common sense is that it is so uncommon.

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] neighborhood list view

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi all, as part of the work needed in making Sugar presence UI scale beyond a couple dozens of users, I have proposed the following feature for 0.86: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Neighborhood_List_View Please give ideas about how it should look, for the time being I'm going to just add

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora

2009-07-15 Thread Philippe Clérié
Thanks for the suggestion but it's not working. I've been trying for the past two hours. First, there is a problem with the partitionner, it hangs when formatting the root partition on the virtual disk with ext3. Eventually, I did that manually and skipped this step. The system installed but al

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 19:09, Lucian Branescu wrote: > I've attached a file with a SourceView class. I'm still a bit unsure about the convenience of adding this code to sugar-toolkit. It's quite trivial code and the API we add to sugar-toolkit should be more or less stable (though we aren't yet p

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Lucian Branescu
I'm proposing the addition of a general widget that could be used in many places(Pippy, View Source, my Browse branch). In fact, it is partly based on View Source code. I figured it would be a good idea to not have all this code duplication. For my project's needs (editing Userstyles and Userscri

[Sugar-devel] testing sugar on debian

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Jonas, just installed squeeze and sugar-0.84. Which options have users to run Sugar? Should we expect them to use a display manager? Just ran startx and in xterm, 'sugar', it complained about not being able to import wnck, though python-wnck is installed. This doesn't seem to be related to Sug

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA School Visit report for Tuesday July 14

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 04:14, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Greg Smith wrote: >> As I got there I noticed a kid had unplugged their USB before full >> shut down and they were frantically trying to plug it back in while >> errors scrolled on the screen. Still not sure if

Re: [Sugar-devel] Request to add webkitgtk as a external dependency

2009-07-15 Thread Lucian Branescu
Many people report WebKit to be faster and my own benchmarks seem to confirm that. I think it would be great if there were some browser API for activities that could use both hulahop and pywebkitgtk. This way, the best overall engine at the time can be used. 2009/7/15 Bryan Berry : > On Tue, 2009

Re: [Sugar-devel] Request to add webkitgtk as a external dependency

2009-07-15 Thread Bryan Berry
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 23:41 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > I initially tried out whatever I wanted to do with Gecko, however, it > looks like performance can be degraded quite a bit with larger books. > To ensure proper pagination (the current form of Read depends on the > document being proper

Re: [Sugar-devel] Request to add webkitgtk as a external dependency

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/7/14 Benjamin M. Schwartz : > Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> This mail is a request/proposal to add webkitgtk as an external >> dependency for either Sugar or Read > > I object strongly either way. > > The last thing Sugar needs is a hard dependency on _both_ major browser > engines.  Moreover,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Request to add webkitgtk as a external dependency

2009-07-15 Thread Martin Sevior
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Benjamin M. > Schwartz wrote: >> Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >>> This mail is a request/proposal to add webkitgtk as an external >>> dependency for either Sugar or Read >> >> I object strongly either

Re: [Sugar-devel] Request to add webkitgtk as a external dependency

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/7/14 Sayamindu Dasgupta : > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Sascha > Silbe wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 06:10:12PM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> >>> Since the version of pywebkitgtk shipped in both Fedora >>> and Ubuntu are way behind the latest release, I plan to ship that

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Debian

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 16:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:03PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: >>On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:32:13PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >>>Do you mean to say that GConf-DBus is currently used

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora

2009-07-15 Thread Peter Robinson
> 4) There are going to be a lot of extra, unneeded packages that I'd > like to get rid of. I hoped that there was a Fedora spin of sugar, > but it appears that was folded into Soas. But Soas is not designed > to be installed on a hard disk. Why not? Why not give people the > ability to setup a com

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/7/15 Philippe Clérié : > I've had both Soas and Sugar on Fedora installed in KVM machines. A > year ago or so I had problems with the joyride builds, so that's > progress... :-) Joyride builds weren't intended to run on non-XO hardware, so that's expected. > Soas seems to work just fine so f

Re: [Sugar-devel] How To fix my bad cloned sticks

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 13:54, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > > On 7/15/09, Dave Bauer wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Caroline >> >> Meeks wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 7/14/09, Dave Bauer wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Caroline >> >> Meeks wrote: >> >> > Here is the ho

Re: [Sugar-devel] How To fix my bad cloned sticks

2009-07-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
On 7/15/09, Dave Bauer wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Caroline > > Meeks wrote: > > > > > > On 7/14/09, Dave Bauer wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Caroline > >> Meeks wrote: > >> > Here is the how to we are going to use tomorrow to fix the 3rd grade > >> > sticks.

Re: [Sugar-devel] How To fix my bad cloned sticks

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Bauer
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > > On 7/14/09, Dave Bauer wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Caroline >> Meeks wrote: >> > Here is the how to we are going to use tomorrow to fix the 3rd grade >> > sticks.  I'm putting it up here for critique.  If there is anyw

Re: [Sugar-devel] Background Screen Color for SoaS Activity

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:46, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 04:21, Art Hunkins wrote: >> Gary - >> >> Thanks so much for these helpful suggestions. > > At this point, I think it would be more efficient if you went through > the PyGTK tutorial. No need to do all of it, though. > > h

Re: [Sugar-devel] Background Screen Color for SoaS Activity

2009-07-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 04:21, Art Hunkins wrote: > Gary - > > Thanks so much for these helpful suggestions. At this point, I think it would be more efficient if you went through the PyGTK tutorial. No need to do all of it, though. http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html What is easy to d

Re: [Sugar-devel] Cleaning up 0.86 Roadmap page

2009-07-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/12/2009 11:20 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Hi, > > many good ideas have been added to the > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Roadmap#Ideas section. We used this at > the beginning to track our features for this release. We have been > moving now to a new policy to track Features. > > Please

Re: [Sugar-devel] [API proposal] Source editor and widget

2009-07-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/13/2009 06:09 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote: > I'm proposing the addition of sugar.graphics.sourceedit.SourceView. It > would be similar to what can be found in jarabe.view.viewsource. Exact > names of classes and/or module are up for debate. > > I'm also thinking of adding a FileView class in th

Re: [Sugar-devel] Empty HTML from Turtle Art

2009-07-15 Thread Walter Bender
The HTML output at the moment only supports objects from the Portfolio tab. I haven't hacked the turtle graphics output into java-script yet... any volunteers? (I suppose I could embed a screen capture by default.) -walter On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > I have tried savi

[Sugar-devel] Empty HTML from Turtle Art

2009-07-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
I have tried saving to HTML in several versions of Turtle Art up through 51, but have gotten only HTML files with empty bodies. Is the code there? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destin

Re: [Sugar-devel] Re : Re : Re : Missing french manuals on the french homepage of flossmanuals

2009-07-15 Thread Bastien
Nicolas Dufour writes: >> De : Bastien >> I'm confused. How french people know about french manuals then? > > They can read the manuals, but they can't write :) > Registration gives write rights, that's all. Ok. Thanks for putting XO/Sugar manuals in the french section when you can. -- B

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unstable 0.85.1 reporting/feedback policy

2009-07-15 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/15/2009 02:17 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Hi, > > Just wanted to check on the etiquette regarding reporting issues with > unstable release 0.85.1 and on. Would you like lots of new tickets > assigned to 'Git as of bug date' (there's no formal mention of 0.85), > some IRC chats, email chatter,