Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Gary C Martin wrote: > How many ebooks could you distribute (and > store) for the bandwidth (and nand space) taken up by downloading the > required dependancies for Java. A hell of a lot. That's why we need to display prominently exactly how much space each item in the Journal takes, includin

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Aleksey, On 30 Aug 2009, at 01:23, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:51:22AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: >> On 30 Aug 2009, at 00:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: 0install looks quite promising to me and h

[Sugar-devel] great overview of moodle 2.0

2009-08-29 Thread Bryan Berry
http://www.slideshare.net/moodler/moodle-development-educause-australia-6th-may-2009 expected end 2009 - early 2010 -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org ht

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
(Regarding 0install): > It is interesting, but fails horribly badly in the case of no, or low > bandwidth Internet. I'm not convinced, for three reasons. First, there is "0share" http://0install.net/0share.html which seems to me to be remarkably similar to our long-stated goal of "horizo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:51:22AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 30 Aug 2009, at 00:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > >On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > >>0install looks quite promising to me and > >> > >>http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Syste

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Gary C Martin
On 30 Aug 2009, at 00:17, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: >> 0install looks quite promising to me and >> >> http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems >> >> is good reading about the general issues involved. >> >> Has an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Read-only access to thumb drive forbidden by Rainbow?

2009-08-29 Thread Jim Simmons
Walter, I tried deleting /etc/olpc-security but that had no effect, Even rebooting after deleting olpc-security had no effect. I managed to copy the log messages from my previous efforts to the clipboard and save them to a thumb drive: reserved credentials (10002, 10005) adding group: /usr/sbi

[Sugar-devel] GHOP

2009-08-29 Thread David Farning
Just a quick heads up that it looks like google will be running a second round of GHOP[1]. It will likely be later this year or early next year. So high school teachers and students let's start thinking about this. Any volunteers ready to stick up hand their to run the program for SL:) The cool

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > 0install looks quite promising to me and > > http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems > > is good reading about the general issues involved. > > Has anyone here experimented with it? > > Regards, > >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
0install looks quite promising to me and http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems is good reading about the general issues involved. Has anyone here experimented with it? Regards, Michael ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Su

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-29 Thread Bastien
Bill Kerr writes: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien wrote: > > After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really > appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. > > They will make an update - stay tuned. > > the picture i

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] new technical list in spanish

2009-08-29 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
The list was created to ensure and give the possibility to people that don't know English or are not to confident in it to participate in Sugar development, We'll hope that students and developers from all Spanish-speaking countries take the lead and begin to support the overall sugar development.

Re: [Sugar-devel] SarynPaint: a Java program packaged for the OLPC

2009-08-29 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Ben, On 29 Aug 2009, at 18:24, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote: > I think, then, that I would rather just ship it as an activity bundle > for "Sugar+Java or Sugar+OpenJDK", since the versioning issues (which > OpenJDK version should I use, exactly?), licensing issues (GPLv2 & > GPLv2+classpath-excepti

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Lucian Branescu
I suggested pre-parsed code mostly to get rid of dependency on headers and other source packages; a bit like a JIT that always compiles and caches everything. LLVM IR in particular is just a high lever assembler, so it could be distributed without any dependencies (even on build tools). There's al

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Lucian Branescu wrote: > This is a bit of a stretch, but would it be possible to distribute > GIMPLE or LLVM IR and finish the compilation on installation? > Installing would take longer, but it should work on any architecture > the code can compile to. Currently, Sugar has a number of blessed int

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/8/29 Philippe Clérié : > Your points are well taken and generally I agree with them. Except > that I never suggested you should "abandon upstream development". > Sugar is your calling card, your differentiator, your trademark, your > value added... etc, etc, etc. It's what make you, you. :-) I

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread David Farning
2009/8/29 Philippe Clérié : > Your points are well taken and generally I agree with them. Except > that I never suggested you should "abandon upstream development". > Sugar is your calling card, your differentiator, your trademark, your > value added... etc, etc, etc. It's what make you, you. :-) I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-08-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sat, 29-08-2009 a las 10:25 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: > > Well, the USB format idea was left unimplemented as we (I) couldn't > get it working, but we should probably take a look at makebootfat to > achieve the same goals. Or just use parted instead of fdisk to wipe the MBR and create it

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] new technical list in spanish

2009-08-29 Thread David Farning
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:38, Luke Faraone wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> >>> Please join if you would like to participate in discussions about >>> Sugar development in Spanish. >> >> Won't this have the side

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Philippe Clérié
Your points are well taken and generally I agree with them. Except that I never suggested you should "abandon upstream development". Sugar is your calling card, your differentiator, your trademark, your value added... etc, etc, etc. It's what make you, you. :-) I would never think of abandoning

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-08-29 Thread Luke Faraone
resending to list via my proper email: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:15, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > >> >> it would be great if someone could expand this paragraph: >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Soas#Boot >> >> This page is not even linked from it: >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Lucian Branescu
This is a bit of a stretch, but would it be possible to distribute GIMPLE or LLVM IR and finish the compilation on installation? Installing would take longer, but it should work on any architecture the code can compile to. 2009/8/29 Tomeu Vizoso : > 2009/8/29 Philippe Clérié : >> Well, I wasn't at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-08-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sat, 29-08-2009 a las 15:17 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard escribió: > BTW, are all these details about USB booting being collected somewhere > on a wiki page? it would be great if someone could expand this paragraph: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Soas#Boot This page is not even linked from it:

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/8/29 Philippe Clérié : > Well, I wasn't attempting to solve anything. I thought I was just > brainstorming. > > These past few weeks there have been a lot of discussions about > processes. Meanwhile, I am heading into the classroom with a > somewhat unstable and unfinished platform not to ment

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Philippe Clérié
Well, I wasn't attempting to solve anything. I thought I was just brainstorming. These past few weeks there have been a lot of discussions about processes. Meanwhile, I am heading into the classroom with a somewhat unstable and unfinished platform not to mention very little guidance as to exac

Re: [Sugar-devel] Good filesystem for USB flash with compression?

2009-08-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 09:12:03AM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 09:01, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: For the underlying fs I believe the best (i.e. reliable + fast + non-wearing) is ext4 with journaling disabled. One of the problems we were seeing in the lab when using a ove

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-08-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:26:41AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:40:38AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 06/01/09 08:39, H. Peter Anvin wrote: I need much more details; *all* Award BIOSes make in the past 10-12 years have version number 6.00PG. Ouch, I no longer

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-29 Thread Walter Bender
I don't think anyone was suggesting that it is OK to smear OLPC. In fact, this thread was begun because a number of us are outraged at the smear campaign that is (presumably) largely a result of ignorance. That said, OLPC and Sugar Labs are not the same. OLPC makes hardware and currently distribut

Re: [Sugar-devel] Good filesystem for USB flash with compression?

2009-08-29 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 09:01, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > For the underlying fs I believe the best (i.e. reliable + fast + > non-wearing) is ext4 with journaling disabled. One of the problems we were seeing in the lab when using a overlay for user changes was that if the students unplugged the U

Re: [Sugar-devel] Good filesystem for USB flash with compression?

2009-08-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 08:55:09PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: I noticed a problem when attempting to unsquash the SoaS filesystem and extract it on to a flashdrive: it's over 1.2GiB. Since squashfs is read-only, is there a good read-write filesystem that achieves decent compression (while not

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/8/29 Philippe Clérié : > Why not treat Sugar as a distribution in its own right. As in: Sugar > is a GNU/Linux distribution with Sucrose as it's user interface. It > seems to me you're generally drifting in that direction. With Soas > it's now treated more or less as a spin/remix so it's not t

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-29 Thread Philippe Clérié
Why not treat Sugar as a distribution in its own right. As in: Sugar is a GNU/Linux distribution with Sucrose as it's user interface. It seems to me you're generally drifting in that direction. With Soas it's now treated more or less as a spin/remix so it's not that much of an extension. As an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] new technical list in spanish

2009-08-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:38, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> Please join if you would like to participate in discussions about >> Sugar development in Spanish. > > Won't this have the side effect of a segmented development community? It has all the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] new technical list in spanish

2009-08-29 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > Please join if you would like to participate in discussions about > Sugar development in Spanish. Won't this have the side effect of a segmented development community? On which list would consensus be authoritative? -- Luke Faraone http:/

[Sugar-devel] new technical list in spanish

2009-08-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, several development groups are being formed right now in Latin America and in order to make easier for them to work together a new list has been created: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-desarrollo Please join if you would like to participate in discussions about Sugar development i

Re: [Sugar-devel] OCR?

2009-08-29 Thread Lucian Branescu
Abbyy could distribute the free version of their software with a license that allows it to be redistributed with Sugar, or more precisely whatever activity uses it. But that would allow people to make full-featured clones of Abbyy's software, so I doubt it. 2009/8/28 Edward Cherlin : > I was at a

Re: [Sugar-devel] SarynPaint: a Java program packaged for the OLPC

2009-08-29 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:29, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote: > A friend of mine wrote a hand/eye coordination game called SarynPaint > and recently released the source code. SarynPaint is written in Java, > so you'll need to install OpenJDK to use it. I just checked in minimal > support for launching it

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-29 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Bill Kerr wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Bastien > wrote: >> >> After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really >> appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. >> >> They will make an update - stay tun

[Sugar-devel] pushed css/html layout for "adding_up"

2009-08-29 Thread Bryan Berry
i am still working out the new html/css layout for "adding_up" you can check it out here http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/karma/repos/mainline/blobs/master/examples/adding_up_to_10/mytest.html i still haven't tested out animation in this layout. I spent most of this week figuring out basic css