Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Hello, the sugar-pippy rpm in Fedora depends on pygame, which is used by some of the examples. So far, so good, but pygame in turn depends on numpy, a 7.7MB package which a lot of huge dependencies such as atlas

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel [organization process started]

2009-09-29 Thread Abhishek Indoria
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Luke Faraone l...@laptop.org wrote: Maybe [DP-1] or [SDP-1]? Yeah...Probably, that would be the best if we distinguish ourselves from any future groups:) Well, DP-1 and so are great.+1...how about DP-09 or DP-09-1??? -Abhishek -- Abhishek Indoria OLPC

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks

2009-09-29 Thread Sean DALY
Not sure if this is useful info, but the OSX 'bless' command can be configured to boot removable media only once, or persistently. Sean On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: I also tried to update the launchpad question so we have one place to look

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 09:33:17PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Hello, the sugar-pippy rpm in Fedora depends on pygame, which is used by some of the examples. So far, so good, but pygame in turn depends on numpy, a 7.7MB package which a lot of huge dependencies such as atlas (11MB),

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:36:19PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 09:33:17PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Hello, the sugar-pippy rpm in Fedora depends on pygame, which is used by some of the examples. So far, so good, but pygame in turn depends on numpy, a 7.7MB

[Sugar-devel] Content of new SugarPlatform-0.86

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
Hi all, We have 0.86 release, so we need new SugarPlatform specification. New wiki page[1] is just copypast of SP-0.84 page, so any improvements are welcome. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Platform_Components -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] Fw: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Getting around a (sound) device assignment problem in SoaS

2009-09-29 Thread Art Hunkins
I neglected to mention perhaps the most important fact of all: with SoaS, any MIDI controller(s) must be plugged in AFTER boot and BEFORE compiling a .csnd. Users must be given explicit instruction to this effect. Note that this limitation does not apply to the XO. My thoughts are: 1) Getting

Re: [Sugar-devel] Error running socialcalc on sugar live cd

2009-09-29 Thread vijit singh
Hello Tomeu and all, I just got the chance to try installing socialcalc on the sugar live cd and I have been able to install it properly. Here is the review of the process, might be helpful for other activities also in case anybody faces a similar problem-- 1. Actually, the error which was

Re: [Sugar-devel] Error running socialcalc on sugar live cd

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:54 AM, vijit singh vijitthetopco...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Tomeu and all, I just got the chance to try installing socialcalc on the sugar live cd and I have been able to install it properly. Here is the review of the process, might be helpful for other activities

[Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the various distros. In order to ensure I get my facts straight, I am asking that those of you involved in packaging please send me a sentence or two describing your targets. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the various distros. In order to ensure I get my facts straight, I am asking that those of you involved in packaging please send me a sentence or two describing your

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Problems seem to be a good bet! What the golly gosh jimminy crippers is going on?!? Why does it work once and not again? What is linux doing that is keeping MacOSX from booting even after all the linux medium is

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:06:56AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the various distros. In order to ensure I get my facts straight, I am asking that those of you involved in packaging please send me a sentence or two describing your targets. Some

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the various distros. In order to ensure I get my facts straight, I am asking that those

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the

[Sugar-devel] [Wiki] Reorganize sugar download pages

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
Hi all, For now we have three wiki pages to get download info: * http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads * http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems * http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Packaging That could be confusing, so maybe having one page for users who want only stable

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Activity version compatibility

2009-09-29 Thread Gary C Martin
On 29 Sep 2009, at 14:00, Wade Brainerd wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: I have a prototype patch which fixes the launch window and adds an error message. I'll try to get it posted soon. Cool :-) Ok, a prototype patch is posted at

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans

2009-09-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:06:56AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the various distros. In order to ensure I get my facts straight, I am asking that those of you involved in packaging please send me a sentence or two describing your targets. As

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.86 plans

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:06:56AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I am planning to blog about the plans for 0.86 in the various distros. In order to ensure I get my facts straight, I am asking that those of you involved in packaging please send me a sentence or two describing your targets. Among

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Csnd] Re: Getting around a (sound) device assignment problem in SoaS

2009-09-29 Thread Art Hunkins
Rick, I'll be happy to do such a page at Csounds.com. I'll need to wait, however, until the project is complete. Three things need to happen: 1) The multiple MIDI controller option of 5.10 needs to be patched into the Sugar Fedora updates (and shown to work); 2) This all needs to be available

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Csnd] Re: Getting around a (sound) device assignment problem in SoaS

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
Art, I'll be happy to do such a page at Csounds.com. I'll need to wait, however, until the project is complete. Three things need to happen: 1) The multiple MIDI controller option of 5.10 needs to be patched into the Sugar Fedora updates (and shown to work); 2) This all needs to be

Re: [Sugar-devel] Error running socialcalc on sugar live cd

2009-09-29 Thread vijit singh
Hello Walter and all, The directory /home/olpc/Activities should be writable by user olpc. Yes, they should be in the live cd also as they are writable in the normal xo and the sugar emulator as well. That would explain your trouble with installing activities. The question remains, why was

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Tue, 29-09-2009 a las 12:36 +, Aleksey Lim escribió: pygame and numpy are parts of Sugar Platform[1], at least for 0.84, so, the right question is should these pakcages be a part of SP-0.86 I guess +1 for both, since we have honey activities that are depend on these packages. In Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Tue, 29-09-2009 a las 12:36 +, Aleksey Lim escribió: pygame and numpy are parts of Sugar Platform[1], at least for 0.84, so, the right question is should these pakcages be a part of SP-0.86 I guess +1 for both,

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
We use numpy in Measure for array support and the fft library. We used it in Turtle Art with Sensors for similar reasons. -walter On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Tue,

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Questions: 1) are there lighter-weight alternatives for the most popular uses of numpy? No. It has no competition, and is used by virtually every program that uses python and performs array manipulation. I think it would probably be part of the python standard

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Tue, 29-09-2009 a las 12:36 +, Aleksey Lim escribió: I suspect the #1 usecase for numpy is to compensate for lack of good array support in Python. Questions: 1) are there lighter-weight alternatives for the

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Tue, 29-09-2009 a las 16:25 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: Bernie Innocenti wrote: 1) are there lighter-weight alternatives for the most popular uses of numpy? No. It has no competition, and is used by virtually every program that uses python and performs array manipulation. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: I seem to recall several Python apps moving from numpy to numarray in the past, so it should be doable. I strongly suspect you are backwards. Numarray is the deprecated predecessor to numpy. http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray/numarray.html

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Tue, 29-09-2009 a las 16:25 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: Bernie Innocenti wrote: 1) are there lighter-weight alternatives for the most popular uses of numpy? No.  It has no competition, and is used by

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/29/2009 12:51 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Hello, the sugar-pippy rpm in Fedora depends on pygame, which is used by some of the examples.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Csnd] Re: Getting around a (sound) device assignment problem in SoaS

2009-09-29 Thread Art Hunkins
Peter, That sounds wonderful. I'll be right here available to test whenever you like. I'm especially glad that things would be ready for 0.86 Sugar. I hope I didn't mislead anyone in assessing Csound in 0.84 Sugar (and SoaS Strawberry). I was pointing out that for SoaS-1, updates *are

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/29/2009 01:52 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: I admit I'm not following sugar and numpy discussions too closely so I might have missed it but

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks

2009-09-29 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thanks Martin, Does that give us any hint about whats happening? How is that PRAM/PROM normally set? Maybe we need to go change the default somewhere? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Caroline Meeks

[Sugar-devel] Test ballot complete. Feedback

2009-09-29 Thread David Farning
I would like to announce the completion of the Sugar Labs Test Election. Know issues: The election server is very overloaded. It was not uncommon for the server to take a minute or more to process a a submission. As far as I can tell everyones vote was processed. Please keep track of your

Re: [Sugar-devel] Test ballot complete. Feedback

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:02:22PM -0500, David Farning wrote: I would like to announce the completion of the Sugar Labs Test Election. Know issues: The election server is very overloaded. It was not uncommon for the server to take a minute or more to process a a submission. As far as I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Test ballot complete. Feedback

2009-09-29 Thread David Farning
This situation appears to be based on a missing email to memb...@sugarlabs.org. In good faith, the membership committee has added Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org to the membership roster. David Farning SLOBs election 2009-2010 referee On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Aleksey Lim

Re: [Sugar-devel] Test ballot complete. Feedback

2009-09-29 Thread David Farning
It turns out that the first five people to request member ship via mem...@sugarlabs.org were missing from the email roster. They follow: * Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@?.? | sdz | APPROVED * Tom Gilliard satel...@?.? | satellit | APPROVED * Brian Jordan bcjor...@?.? | Bcjordan |

[Sugar-devel] Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009

2009-09-29 Thread David Farning
I would like to re-extend the invitation for Sugarcamp_Bolzano_2009[1]. As it stands, we have four people currently registered: 1. Simon Schampijer 2. Tomeu Vizoso 3. Walter Bender 4. David Farning If anyone else is interested please add your name to the wiki page[1]. 1.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Activity version compatibility

2009-09-29 Thread Wade Brainerd
BTW, we should still answer the question of the activity.info field... Seems like there 3 options to me: 1) Deprecate host_version in the activity.info spec. Activity developers write code to test for presence non-BC APIs and provide fallbacks (or else let activities fail to launch/work). 2)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Test ballot complete. Feedback

2009-09-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Tue, 29-09-2009 a las 18:02 -0500, David Farning escribió: I would like to announce the completion of the Sugar Labs Test Election. Know issues: The election server is very overloaded. It was not uncommon for the server to take a minute or more to process a a submission. As far as I