[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-04-26 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, olpc has decided to present ad-hoc networks like they did with mesh networks: three icons in the neighborhood view representing ad-hoc networks with the channels 1, 6, 11. This should preserve the workflow previously introduced and ease the use of ad-hoc networks. More details for the reas

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-26 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:29 +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: > This is part of why I think having an abstraction layer is more > important than having a complete pywebkitgtk browser activity. > > I would be even cooler if Read could also use this abstraction layer for epub. Now it makes sense. As lo

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread James Simmons
Peter, Please consider including either Get Books or Get Internet Archive Books! Having one (not both) of these installed will greatly increase the usefulness of the Read Activity and either one should be robust enough to satisfy anyone. The Blueberry release of Sugar actually pushed e-book read

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] _update_signal_match wasn't initialized

2010-04-26 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 03:50:17PM -0400, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: > Because of missing initialization and a weak test for the existence of > the object (self._update_signal_match is not None) Turtle Art was > crashing when resuming from the Journal. Reviewed, but I didn't understand. This

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-26 Thread Bobby Powers
I wrote surf a while ago, and it was quite an easy port. In fact, the demo browser for pywebkitgtk was (at least at one point) based on browse. I did most of the work in a day and a half, but ran into problems with both webkit's packaging and the feature-completeness of pywebkitgtk (the ability t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH 4/4] disconnect on passphrase cancel #1805

2010-04-26 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:15:25AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something here but is there any reason we can't use > the same store and procedures that the gnome NM applet uses. I don't know, sorry. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1884 covers this. -- James Cameron http://

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 27.04.2010, at 00:17, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Bert Freudenberg >> wrote: >>> >>> * There is no sound in Etoys. >>> Pulseaudio is running but padsp is not installed (which Etoys uses to fall >>>

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 26.04.2010, at 21:16, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi All, So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the release te

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-26 Thread Lucian Branescu
This is part of why I think having an abstraction layer is more important than having a complete pywebkitgtk browser activity. I would be even cooler if Read could also use this abstraction layer for epub. On 26 April 2010 21:10, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Lucia

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-26 Thread Lucian Branescu
This is part of why I think having an abstraction layer is more important than having a complete pywebkitgtk browser activity. I would be even cooler if Read could also use this abstraction layer for epub. On 26 April 2010 21:10, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Lucia

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-26 Thread Lucian Branescu
This is part of why I think having an abstraction layer is more important than having a complete pywebkitgtk browser activity. It would be even cooler if Read could also use this abstraction layer for epub. On 26 April 2010 21:10, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Luci

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 27.04.2010, at 00:17, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Bert Freudenberg > wrote: >> >> * There is no sound in Etoys. >> Pulseaudio is running but padsp is not installed (which Etoys uses to fall >> back on OSS when it detects PA). >> To test, click the little red

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
soas-i386-20100421.18.iso as USB: booted on acer aspire one sugar terminal: r...@localhost liveuser]# setenforce 0 [r...@localhost liveuser]# python /usr/bin/sugar-presence-service Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-presence-service", line 24, in main.main() File "/usr/

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 26.04.2010, at 21:16, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 >> will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the >> release team's (Sebastian a

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 26.04.2010, at 21:16, Peter Robinson wrote: > > Hi All, > > So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 > will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the > release team's (Sebastian and myself) decision. > > So the final list is: > - browse > - ph

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] bundlebuilder should not use locale name

2010-04-26 Thread Walter Bender
In regard to http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1968 Discussed this morning on IRC: I have an activity that has a different name in the locale/en.po file than in activity.info. bundlebuilder uses the locale name to create the .pot file, the .xo and .tar files whereas I think it should always use the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
One more important suggestion for a non activity for the release: liveusb-creator gedit on the Mirabelle.iso would also allow making persistent USB's without having to first make a persistent USB and then yum installing them onto it. (the source.iso can be on a 1st USB and target on 2nd.) It wor

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] sl#1876: cleanup partially extracted bundle on filesystem error

2010-04-26 Thread Bernie Innocenti
From: Martin Dengler This patch solves the most severe issue in #1876: filling up the filesystem with temporary files that won't be deleted afterwards. Before we can consider this bug completely fixed, we still need to do something for the remaining issues: 1) Unpacking shouldn't be attempted

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > Yes it has jabber.sugarlabs.org in Control Panel / Network It looks very much like this, which seems to be pretty much a blocker, yup: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585413 > Tom Gilliard > satellit > > Peter Robinson wrot

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Yes it has jabber.sugarlabs.org in Control Panel / Network Tom Gilliard satellit Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: Peter; I know it is not an activity, but it affects all of them: Will the presence service get fixed in time for the release?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > Peter; > > I know it is not an activity, but it affects all of them: > > Will the presence service get fixed in time for the  release? > > All I am able to see is xmpp local on any of the f13 Composes of Soas > log application has no

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] _update_signal_match wasn't initialized

2010-04-26 Thread Raul Gutierrez Segales
Forgot to mention that this is for 0.84 branch, 0.88 does it right. On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 15:50 -0400, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: > Because of missing initialization and a weak test for the existence of > the object (self._update_signal_match is not None) Turtle Art was > crashing when resumi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-26 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote: > There already is a mostly complete pywebkitgtk activity, Surf. > > There has been a lot of debate on whether webkit is better than gecko > for our purposes. I also plan to only support what is reasonably easy > to support and let the abstra

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Peter; I know it is not an activity, but it affects all of them: Will the presence service get fixed in time for the release? All I am able to see is xmpp local on any of the f13 Composes of Soas log application has no entries No Jabber server access for collaboration. (Or are we waiti

Re: [Sugar-devel] Support for EPUB with Read in sugar-jhbuild?

2010-04-26 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 22:21 -0500, James Simmons wrote: >> 1). How do I get Read as delivered by sugar-jhbuld to work with EPUBs? >> >> 2). Does Read support EPUBs on SoaS right now?  If not, what are our >> future plans regarding EPUB su

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] _update_signal_match wasn't initialized

2010-04-26 Thread Raul Gutierrez Segales
Because of missing initialization and a weak test for the existence of the object (self._update_signal_match is not None) Turtle Art was crashing when resuming from the Journal. Signed-off-by: Raúl Gutiérrez S. Ackd-by: Bernie Innocenti --- src/sugar/datastore/datastore.py |1 + 1 files ch

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi Sean, I'm so pleased that you think that all the hard work that Sebastian, myself and all the other Sugar developers that have put into the Sugar 0.88 release and associated SoaS release is so 0.5. and a whole lot less than previous releases. I think your choice is demeaning to the hard work th

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > SugarClone script should be included > > http://people.sugarlabs.org/fgrose/SugarClone > > works well Hi Tom, As I've already mentioned its not packaged in Fedora so won't be included. Once that is the case I'm happy to change that. Pe

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
SugarClone script should be included http://people.sugarlabs.org/fgrose/SugarClone works well Tom Gilliard satellit Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi All, > > So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 > will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the > r

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Sean DALY
As stated previously, it's a mistake for this release to be numbered v3. I won't be able to do anything with it. Sean On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi All, > > So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 > will be as below unless someone giv

[Sugar-devel] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the release team's (Sebastian and myself) decision. So the final list is: - browse - physics - turtleart - irc - log - terminal - Record - Read - Write - C

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Replying to quoted text is hard from my phone; bear with me. On Monday, April 26, 2010, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:54:13PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > and NM supports a number of static data files for configuration if that's > what you want yo do. > > What I want to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends

2010-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Brief tutorial on Gobject: http://cananian.livejournal.com/58744.html Sorry, Bernie you don't get any sympathy from me: XFConfig deserves to die, no matter how much you liked it. And are you really running Gentoo and complaining whenthings break? Seriously? That's the price of unstable (and pro

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Martin, I'm not sure NetworkManager is really the right tool for your > (server) job.  NetworkManager's goal in life is dynamic roaming, not > static setups. You'd be surprised: people are proposing complete removal of networks-scripts i

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Sorry, Sascha, didn't mean for the attack to seem personal. And Martin, I'm not sure NetworkManager is really the right tool for your (server) job. NetworkManager's goal in life is dynamic roaming, not static setups. I'm not necessarily defending NM: lord knows I wish it had better docs and a mo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH 3/4] fix AP association failure after removing encryption #1674

2010-04-26 Thread Daniel Drake
On 25 April 2010 22:35, James Cameron wrote: > Yes, but the additional work might delay a solution.  Do you have a > patch? No, but you're already knee deep, it would be trivial for you to do this. And breaking compatibility is something that needs extra attention. It can't be rushed. Daniel __

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 14:25, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Sascha Silbe > wrote: >> What I want to be able to do is exactly the same I can do using nm-applet. > > That would be a good start. Reasonable feature parity with the old > network scripts would also be great

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > What I want to be able to do is exactly the same I can do using nm-applet. That would be a good start. Reasonable feature parity with the old network scripts would also be great. The best that I can say of NM is that Dan moves quickly, and c

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:04, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:57:45AM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > >>> That wasn't the point, though: I'm not asking for _API_ access to >>> NetworkManager (I already got that using python), but for a CLI _tool_ to >>> use as an _administrator_ o

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:57:45AM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: That wasn't the point, though: I'm not asking for _API_ access to NetworkManager (I already got that using python), but for a CLI _tool_ to use as an _administrator_ or _user_, not as a developer. system-config-network has a cli

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:51, Sascha Silbe wrote: > That wasn't the point, though: I'm not asking for _API_ access to > NetworkManager (I already got that using python), but for a CLI _tool_ to > use as an _administrator_ or _user_, not as a developer. system-config-network has a cli tool to con

[Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.90 and migration from GConf to GSettings?

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, Is there yet any plans for migrations from GConf to GSettings in the 0.90 development of Sugar? I'm not sure if there's even any requirements but I've noticed in maintaining of the packages there's a dep on it. Do we get this free when pygtk migrates or is this something we need to do. I'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

2010-04-26 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:54:13PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: I am failing to resist responding to this troll. I'm rather puzzled why you are resorting to personal attacks on me; I've had a rather high opinion of you up to now. I'll try an objective answer nevertheless. Dbus access from

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH 4/4] disconnect on passphrase cancel #1805

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:23 AM, James Cameron wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 02:37:37PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: >> Okay.  I'll rework it to avoid losing the saved password.  It will, >> however, not try connecting again until asked to do so. > > The list of saved passwords is too closely co

Re: [Sugar-devel] Did someone say Webkit?

2010-04-26 Thread Lucian Branescu
There already is a mostly complete pywebkitgtk activity, Surf. There has been a lot of debate on whether webkit is better than gecko for our purposes. I also plan to only support what is reasonably easy to support and let the abstraction layer be leaky. This way, the new Browse can much more easi

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Shave off unnecessary dependencies from jhbuild

2010-04-26 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 09:12:13PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Signed-off-by: Bernie Innocenti Ack-By: Sascha Silbe CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel m

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH 4/4] disconnect on passphrase cancel #1805

2010-04-26 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 02:37:37PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: > Okay. I'll rework it to avoid losing the saved password. It will, > however, not try connecting again until asked to do so. The list of saved passwords is too closely coupled to the NetworkManagerSettings service; the rework would