Re: [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Sebastian Silva
Even though I haven't spoken with Bernie about his rationale for proposing the upgrade of the license I would like to explain why I strongly feel that as a member of the SLOBs board and as a representative of the community I have the duty to back the proposal. You see GPL is not only a legality

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Paul Fox
chris wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Apr 22 2011, Chris Ball wrote: > > I think you've repeatedly ignored Scott's claim that you can't modify > > COPYING or the source files because that would be *changing* the > > license, rather than taking advantage of GPLv3 redistribution rights. > > Can you

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, On Fri, Apr 22 2011, Chris Ball wrote: > I think you've repeatedly ignored Scott's claim that you can't modify > COPYING or the source files because that would be *changing* the > license, rather than taking advantage of GPLv3 redistribution rights. > Can you ask Brett or someone at the FSF wh

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Bernie, On Fri, Apr 22 2011, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > You've expressed some valid concerns and I believe I've responded > satisfactorily to all of them. If not, I'm glad to hear a > counter-argument from you. I think you've repeatedly ignored Scott's claim that you can't modify COPYING or th

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Disclaimer: given where I work now, advocating in favor of the GPL will probably makes me look partisan, but long-time friends like you should known that these have been my personal opinions for a long time. On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 10:50 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:00

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian > wrote: > > Yes, you seem to be confused Bernie. You can redistribute under a > > license however you like, usually without explicitly stating it. But > > if you alter the source files

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Csnd] ALSA MIDI output causes segmentation fault

2011-04-22 Thread Art Hunkins
Don't know if this is related or not, but under the latest nightly development versions of Sugar (0.92) and Fedora 15 (Linux), I get an error message with MIDI and this specification: -+rtmidi=alsa -M hw:1,0 The specification works fine with earlier versions of Sugar and Fedora. Strangely, Sug

[Sugar-devel] TESTING Fedora-15-Nightly-20110421.22-i686-Live-soas.iso and Fedora-15-Nightly-20110421.22-i686-Live-desktop.iso with sugar-emulator

2011-04-22 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Link to tests on wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#Fedora-15-Nightly-20110421.22-i686-Live-desktop.iso ===Fedora-15-Nightly-20110421.22-i686-Live-desktop.iso=== *Install sugar-desktop: : yum install @sugar-desktop sugar-emulator *sugar-emulator and sugar(from

Re: [Sugar-devel] Lego WeDo + TurtleArt - Screenshot & Code!

2011-04-22 Thread Safoura
Hello My name is Safoura and in my search for a solution to replace the Lego Wedo software with some thing written by myself, I came across this post. I didn't know any thing about sugar labs; seems quiet impressive. I studied the pyhton code a bit but I am not very much familar with python. Do

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Yes, you seem to be confused Bernie.  You can redistribute under a > license however you like, usually without explicitly stating it.  But > if you alter the source files or replace COPYING, you are *changing > the license*.  That is a di

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:45 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> >  We're not retroactively re-licensing existing code. >> >> Really? By moving to GPLv3 your removing the ability to use GPLv2 >> which is by definition a re-license of the cod

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 16:45 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > We're not retroactively re-licensing existing code. > > Really? By moving to GPLv3 your removing the ability to use GPLv2 > which is by definition a re-license of the code. Not really, this is a common misconception: redistributing co

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 18:47 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Bernie Innocenti >> wrote: >> > Q: Do we need to ask the permission of all copyright holders? >> > A: No, we'll take advantage of the "or any

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: >  -  What's the upside? > >  - At what point do we say "hey, this has scant upside, and negative > controversy around it, let's spend our time in productive things > instead"? This is the crux of my objection as well. I see Sugar being us

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Authors can express their intentions through a license. If you didn't > want your code to be redistributed under a later versions of the GPL, > then why didn't you distribute as GPLv2-only? On a personal note here... programmers that like

Re: [Sugar-devel] ANNOUNCE: Moving Sugar to GPLv3+

2011-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > The oversight board is considering a motion to upgrade the license of > Sugar from "GPLv2 or later" to "GPLv3 or later". Before proceeding to a > vote, we'd like to request feedback from the community. Interesting. (Bad timing though -- w