Re: [Sugar-devel] Website Redesign

2016-03-25 Thread Dave Crossland
The impact of redesigning the Sugar Labs websites on the Sugar Labs mission can be huge, because it could increase the amount of people who pass through the 'contribution funnel', transitioning from the many people who are casually browsing the site to those who are active contributors to the proje

Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal for Turtle confusion and flags port

2016-03-25 Thread Dave Crossland
If the Turtle Confusion and Flag porting to JavaScript project is successfully completed, the impact on the Sugar Labs community will be another solid contribution to the increasing number of Sugarizer activities that ensure children can learn with any computer that supports HTML5 (such as tablets

Re: [Sugar-devel] Iconify sugar icons

2016-03-27 Thread Dave Crossland
On 26 March 2016 at 10:04, Utkarsh Tiwari wrote: > Sir I didn't get you? > He meant he edited the SVG by hand in a text editor, in this case emacs ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-de

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30 March 2016 at 21:27, Adam Holt wrote: > the above is just a proposal I think this is a very wise proposal :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30 March 2016 at 15:56, Lionel Laské wrote: > > As I said at last meeting, I would like to add a topic regarding "Sugar > vision". > Will share a document proposal. > I am very eager to see your draft!! :D ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@li

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Localization] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-31 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31 March 2016 at 20:27, Walter Bender wrote: > SFC (BTW, the Software Freedom Conservancy is asking everyone to refer to it as "Conservancy" and not "SFC" to prevent ambiguity) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lis

[Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-03-31 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi In the thread '[Sugar-devel] Wanted: Record activity port to GStreamer 0.10' today James Cameron wrote: for the future of Sugar Labs, they should be concentrating on > later designs than one from 2007 that is no longer available and > rapidly dying from old age. > I just got a XO-1, so I won

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-04-01 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 31 March 2016 at 04:02, Samson Goddy wrote: > I will suggest that the samson proposal should be taken first in the > meeting tomorrow. the meeting is 8pm by nigerian time and the cyber > cafe i will using closes by 9pm. so i dont want to miss out. > On 1 April 2016 at 11:03, Laura Vargas

Re: [Sugar-devel] ScreenSaver for sugarizer #2105

2016-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland
Great work Utkarsh! I have made some comments on the PR :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi When sugar git moved from http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-old to https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar in 2013, why did issue tracking stay at bugs.sugarlabs.org and not move to https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues ? I think it would be a good idea to move the issues, since pull requests can

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 2 April 2016 at 23:46, Sebastian Silva wrote: > The translators hired by the Ministry of Education were surprised and > distressed when they started noticing Edgar was *overwriting *the updated > translations they were doing. > It seems Pootle is currently configured to encourage such surpris

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 2 April 2016 at 22:21, Walter Bender wrote: > I was just asking (again) the other day > Can you provide a URL for where you asked about this? :) if someone has an issue aggregation tool since our issues are scattered > across multiple repositories. Presumably we are not the first to have > b

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 2 April 2016 at 22:18, Tony Anderson wrote: > The Sugar activities, which represent 90% or more of the Sugar lines of > code, are being relocated to the github accounts of individual > developer/maintainers - not under a single Sugar account. > I think that is fine :) If they would like to ma

Re: [Sugar-devel] Screenshot feature [GSoC Project]

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
I think this is a good change/feature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tony! On 3 April 2016 at 01:45, Tony Anderson wrote: > I can't imagine the process is so simple. The overwritten translations > were probably on translate.sugarlabs.org. > Yes, that is the Pootle instance I referred to in my previous email, sorry that I wasn't clear on this point. (I had no

[Sugar-devel] Usage metrics

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi In the github thread, James Cameron mentioned Endless, which seems like "One Desktop Per Family" :) I was pleased to see that on https://endlessm.com/developer/ there is, between links to source code for "hardware" and "installation", a set of links to source code for *metrics* :) Since both

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi James! On 3 April 2016 at 18:35, James Cameron wrote: > Because trac provides coverage across multiple repositories, and > nothing else gave us that feature at the time. > This makes good sense, and is good to know :) > I'm fine with closing down trac, because; > > (a) it isn't used in rel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Walter! On 3 April 2016 at 09:04, Walter Bender wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> On 2 April 2016 at 22:21, Walter Bender wrote: >> >>> I was just asking (again) the other day >>> >> &

Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage metrics

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 April 2016 at 20:19, Walter Bender wrote: > FWIW, Endless is shipping some Sugar activities :) Awesome! Endless seems extremely aligned with Sugar :) I'm curious though; how do they ship on some activities, not the whole desktop? ___ Sugar-deve

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 April 2016 at 20:36, James Cameron wrote: > > Previous attempts at consolidation have had varying success, as can be > seen from the increase in fragmentation. > > The number of mailing lists, Wiki, Social Help, IRC channels, > Gitorius, GitHub, ... these are all being used lightly, and the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Walter! On 3 April 2016 at 20:27, Walter Bender wrote: > This means we have no users engaging with Sugar Labs through bug >>> reporting; and that's been my observation for some time. >>> >> >> I feel anxious to read this, and for me this is the primary reason I >> propose consolidating the mo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage metrics

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 April 2016 at 21:04, Walter Bender wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> On 3 April 2016 at 20:19, Walter Bender wrote: >> >>> FWIW, Endless is shipping some Sugar activities :) >> >> >>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage metrics

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 April 2016 at 21:26, James Cameron wrote: > A wrapper to run activities outside Sugar may be quite useful. > I feel kind of like Android is Darth Vader, Sugar is Obi Wan, and Sugarizer is the Force Ghost Obi Wan ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk3_-JSTdx0 ___

Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage metrics

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 April 2016 at 22:06, James Cameron wrote: > > I'm curious though; how do they ship on some activities, not the > whole > > desktop? > > > > They are shipping Turtle Blocks, which will run in GNOME as well as > the > > Sugar Desktop. Not sure what other activities they

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Sam! On 3 April 2016 at 01:12, wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > > Hi > > When sugar git moved from http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-old to > https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar in 2013, why did issue tracking stay >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tony! On 3 April 2016 at 02:02, Tony Anderson wrote: > You are proposing, appropriately, a new way to handle version control for > Sugar. > I'm not sure about that :) I didn't intend to :) > There is documented procedure to add new activities or to update > activities on ASLO. This procedu

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-04 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi! On 4 April 2016 at 00:50, Devin Ulibarri wrote: > On 04/04/2016 12:35 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > Here is why: > > 1. Control. The community would be able to do what they wish with > their > > data. (the other benefits really come from this one) > &g

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-05 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi James On 1 April 2016 at 15:06, James Cameron wrote: > Let me spin you a tail. > > The myth of forward human development doesn't apply to software. > > This is a parade of people, several walking abreast, beside a slow > moving flat bed truck, all holding on to a ribbon. > > The truck is the

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-05 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Martin! On 5 April 2016 at 13:13, Martin Dengler wrote: > > On 5 Apr 2016, at 06:37, Dave Crossland wrote: > Hi James > > > On 1 April 2016 at 15:06, James Cameron wrote: >> >> Do not target a rapidly diminishing enthusiastic group, or the >> future user

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-05 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi James! On 5 April 2016 at 19:04, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 07:37:45AM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote: > > > > Hi James > > > > On 1 April 2016 at 15:06, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > > > Let me spin you

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 5 April 2016 at 20:29, Walter Bender wrote: > I think the Sugar community has made an extraordinary effort to keep the > XO-1 experience viable. I think that the Sugar community OUGHT to keep up that effort. It would be immoral to abandon 1 million kids who are using XOs. But I do not think

Re: [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs

2016-04-05 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Samson Great proposal - and glad to hear you are feeling better :) I have 2 questions :) 1. You write in the proposal, the reason why the Yoruba was the most expensive, was because the logistics Portable internet and internet plan was included, two laptop was included too. I am curious abou

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 02:59, wrote: > You can install GNU on a chromebook, you can install GNU on computer, you > can install GNU on some tablets. Those are the pedagogic devices of now > and the future. Those run faster with Gtk than with WebKit. Will devices running GNU and Sugar desktops get

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
ChromeOS is a GNU distribution :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
Hey Jonas A nice surprise to see you here :) On 6 April 2016 at 09:29, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Dave Crossland (2016-04-06 14:42:57) > > On 6 April 2016 at 02:59, wrote: > > > >> You can install GNU on a chromebook, you can install GNU on computer, > >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 09:17, Walter Bender wrote: > the service model that is inherent to the web is really problematic from > the point of view of children's privacy, security, and freedom. Naw, it ain't inherent to the model! :) Off the top of my head, here are 3 projects that adapt the sof

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 09:17, Walter Bender wrote: > If we can develop within the context of Sugar desktop and the browser, it > is to a large extent a win-win. That is the 'great hack' I referred to earlier - I think its copyleft-level clever stuff :) I'm not so familiar with GNOME 3, but its JS

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 10:41, Walter Bender wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> On 6 April 2016 at 09:17, Walter Bender wrote: >> >>> the service model that is inherent to the web is really problematic from >

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 10:48, Martin Dengler wrote: > Sugar is not a technology. Ahhh come on man, you know what I mean :) I was pretty clear that I am talking about https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/graphs/contributors If you have ever put a UI in front of kids That is the point. How many kids

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 20:53, Tony Anderson wrote: > One approach is for the 'cloud' server to emulate the school server. > 100% agree ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 20:49, Tony Anderson wrote: > Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased in quantities > of 30+. > If we develop a technique to install Sugar on such a device, that can be > done for all of them at > the time of deployment. So, if anyone can find a suitable tab

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
d a school server, we already put them to shame. > > Tony > > > On 04/07/2016 11:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > > On 6 April 2016 at 20:49, Tony Anderson wrote: > >> Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased in quantities >> of 30+

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Sugar on Facebook app(Sugarizer)(sugar activities))

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
I think facebook app/game versions of sugar activities is smart marketing, but I would suggest making them a little limited, to get people hooked on them, and then telling people to upgrade to the main http://server.sugarizer.org app to play the next level. _

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Sugar on Facebook app(Sugarizer)(sugar activities))

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
ly a few activities as of now > compared to Sugar, so I guess it would be limited in that way anyways. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> I think facebook app/game versions of sugar activities is smart >> marketing, but I would suggest making them a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Sugar on Facebook app(Sugarizer)(sugar activities))

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
On 7 April 2016 at 10:33, Sean DALY wrote: > Smart marketing involves identifying a target with an objective, then > choosing a media channel to touch that target. It's tempting to go the > other way around and say "facebook is a heavyweight channel, so let's > concentrate there, and everybody li

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Sugar on Facebook app(Sugarizer)(sugar activities))

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
On 7 April 2016 at 12:54, Sean DALY wrote: > As strange as it may sound, effective marketing comes from a rigorous > approach. > Right - one of the top Google marketing partners is http://www.conversion-rate-experts.com - one of the 2 co-foundners was previously a rocket science physicist :) ___

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tony! On 7 April 2016 at 19:14, Tony Anderson wrote: > > There are a number of projects to put Linux on Android devices, e.g. > http://linuxonandroid.org/. > Nice! I didn't know it :) > I could see an openWRT scenario in which there would be an inventory of > Android products which support

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
On 7 April 2016 at 10:15, Sebastian Silva wrote: > The problem with Sugarizer as a shell is that it can only run sugarizer > Activities (Sugar Web Activities) and not the Android apps. These > activities are very limited on a first experience. There was a GSOC proposal to enable it as a shell t

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
On 6 April 2016 at 17:24, Sean DALY wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> How many kids is Sugar targetting? >> >> Low millions? Or billions? >> > > A few years ago, I estimated at around 10 million the number of teacher

Re: [Sugar-devel] Commencing work and understanding work of Music Widgets (4 new widgets)

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
On 7 April 2016 at 11:53, Walter Bender wrote: > [1] https://github.com/walterbender/musicblocks/issues > [2] https://github.com/walterbender/turtleblocksjs/issues > I suggest moving these to the github.com/sugarlabs org :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Adam! On 1 April 2016 at 01:24, Adam Holt wrote: > In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools for years and year to > come. Similar to Tony's description, but these typically will be using > 32GB SD cards -- thankfully these are incredibly affordable. > What is the typical price th

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 7 April 2016 at 22:04, Walter Bender wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> A layer of Scotch tape remedies the trackpad problem in many cases. > ... > The keyboard is more robust than most think. In PY and NE kids repair them >

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
On 7 April 2016 at 22:54, Tony Anderson wrote: > AFIK, the Government of Rwanda annual fiscal year begins July 1. Some one > may have access to the records, but there are probably 1000 XO-1s deployed > there. Does any one have an idea of the cost of 1000 32GB SD cards? > I expect about $2,000, w

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 7 April 2016 at 23:56, Tony Anderson wrote: > Amazon quotes about $10 each. Wholesale?? =) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Walter! On 8 April 2016 at 09:26, Walter Bender wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> Hi >> >> On 7 April 2016 at 22:04, Walter Bender wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Dave Crossland w

Re: [Sugar-devel] Porting Fraction Bounce to Sugarizer

2016-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
Perhaps SVG is better than canvas? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 8 April 2016 at 08:08, Sean DALY wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:26 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> Does any one have an idea of the cost of 1000 32GB SD cards? >>> >> >> I expect about $2,000, would need some more fishing about in >> http://www.alib

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 7 April 2016 at 21:43, Dave Crossland wrote: > On 1 April 2016 at 01:24, Adam Holt wrote: > >> In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools for years and year to >> come. Similar to Tony's description, but these typically will be using >> 32GB SD

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi James On 8 April 2016 at 16:23, Walter Bender wrote: > What is the typical price the XO-1 units you are prepping for Haiti? Cost >>> of postage + 32Gb SD card + repair (volunteered labor?) + distribution to >>> Haiti? >>> >> >> The reason I ask is that it seems to me that sugar labs ought to

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi 10,000. Okay. How about this? I suppose a batch of 10,000 costs $200 each from OLPC, that's a $2M capital outlay. That's just 10 schools with 4 year groups each, at 250 laptops per year group. Finding ten ritzy private primary schools in the US where the parents can drop $400 in a hat should

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-09 Thread Dave Crossland
On 9 April 2016 at 06:31, James Cameron wrote: > The XO-4 is in production. > What's the minimum order from OLPC? :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Action needed on two issues

2016-04-09 Thread Dave Crossland
On 9 April 2016 at 11:26, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > I also agree that $500 does seem excessive, and even inappropriate FWIW, I thought it was small; it is under minimum wage for some places. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org ht

Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re:The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

2016-04-09 Thread Dave Crossland
On 9 April 2016 at 20:30, Sebastian Silva wrote: > El 09/04/16 a las 09:41, Lionel Laské escribió: > > Sugarizer OS will take the place of the Google/Amazon Launcher so > > users will be able to launch both Sugarizer and Android application. > > Interestingly, this is a feature that Sugar on GNU/

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
On 8 April 2016 at 16:23, Walter Bender wrote: > Just need a mechanism for accessing a supply of XO-4s... > >> Who has bought XO-4s, and in what quantities? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
On 10 April 2016 at 20:35, Adam Holt wrote: > Back in that pre-Twitter era when it was somehow considered Perfectly Ok > and Normal to step on one's one community, as nothing more than pretty > Give1Get1 fundraising whores. CoC language fail :) ___ Su

Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
On 10 April 2016 at 20:35, Adam Holt wrote: > Just imagine if OLPC had not chosen to run off with $40 Millon in > community-driven revenue I don't understand this. What are you referring to? :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi James! Brilliant answer, thank you :) On 10 April 2016 at 18:26, James Cameron wrote: > On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 08:47:35AM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote: > > > > On 9 April 2016 at 06:31, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > > > The XO-4 is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Adam On 10 April 2016 at 22:05, Adam Holt wrote: > On Apr 10, 2016 9:37 PM, "Dave Crossland" wrote: > > > > On 10 April 2016 at 20:35, Adam Holt wrote: > >> > >> Just imagine if OLPC had not chosen to run off with $40 Millon in > community-

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-10 Thread Dave Crossland
On 8 April 2016 at 09:26, Walter Bender wrote: > the XO-4 was the machine we aspired to build in 2006-7 That's a powerful quote, I think :) But it seems premature for use of the past-tense - XO-4s are available today brand new in modest quantities. Or do you think there is a need for an XO-5 w

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11 April 2016 at 05:04, James Cameron wrote: > OLPC, Inc. Not OLPC Association. Anybody who has referred to > Association is talking about a previous organisation. > I'm still getting my bearings with all this. The foundation and the association have closed, but the Inc is still operating.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Action needed on two issues

2016-04-11 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Laura! Thanks for the spreadsheet - this is great! On 10 April 2016 at 23:57, Laura Vargas wrote: > According to the published numbers (I'm attaching a Spreadsheet with the > information published by you) for the last 4 years, ~80% (USD$26,400) of > expenses are related to promotional travel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-11 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 11 April 2016 at 10:41, Adam Holt wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> Are you saying that some corresponding laptops were NOT given to poor >> kids as promised, and the foundation just netted the cash? :) >> > > [

Re: [Sugar-devel] [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11 April 2016 at 13:35, Adam Holt wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> >> Hi >> >> On 11 April 2016 at 10:41, Adam Holt wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: >>> >>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Not able to comment on bugs.sugarlabs.org

2016-04-11 Thread Dave Crossland
I also am suffering from this :( ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12 April 2016 at 08:16, Sean DALY wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Tony Anderson > wrote: > >> One development that seems to be ignored on these lists is Microsoft's >> announcement that it will support Bash on Windows 10. As I understand it, >> the goal is to be able to run Ubuntu

Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

2016-04-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12 April 2016 at 19:59, Tony Anderson wrote: > Bash would not have graphics, but as I understood it Bash would be used to > launch Linux programs which would presumably have access to a Window. I think users will still need to install and run an X server to run unix GUI programs; but there a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Not able to comment on bugs.sugarlabs.org

2016-04-12 Thread Dave Crossland
I am now able to moderate bugs, and all pending bug submissions are now approved. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Screenshot feature [GSoC Project]

2016-04-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12 April 2016 at 21:05, James Cameron wrote: > The question at hand is whether the new screenshot dialog from Utkarsh > should be styled like the wireless password dialog, or styled like My > Settings. > Seems to me the "My Settings" style is better. __

Re: [Sugar-devel] Allow running Sugar Activities outside Sugar

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
I LOVE IT :D ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Active development

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Justin I was also astonished to learn that Sugar is still going last month, but the community is pretty active still, I agree with what Tony said :) On 18 April 2016 at 00:03, Tony Anderson wrote: > Very much so. Currently the focus is writing activities using javascript > (sugar-web-activit

Re: [Sugar-devel] Active development

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 18 April 2016 at 00:03, Tony Anderson wrote: > Very much so. Currently the focus is writing activities using javascript > (sugar-web-activities). These activities work in Sugar exactly as do the > Python-base activities. They also work on Sugarizer requiring only a > standard browser. New

Re: [Sugar-devel] Active development

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18 April 2016 at 11:47, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Etoys is arguably a World of activities. > In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. Let me put this another way: I am new to SmallTalk and it makes grand claims, yet I can not see much real world impact. It seems like it

Re: [Sugar-devel] Active development

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18 April 2016 at 16:01, Justin Overton wrote: > Is this the correct place for the current javascript development? > https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web > That's the python wrapper that allows web-platform activities to run within a full Sugar Desktop. There's also a js wrapper that allows

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18 April 2016 at 17:48, James Cameron wrote: > help.sugarlabs.org > How is this generated? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 18 April 2016 at 15:04, Juan Carlos Murillo wrote: > > In addition to Sugar Labs main webpage, Wiki, Planet, and the Translation > webpages, which other websites do you think will need to be redesigned? > I would prioritize/order them as: homepage, activities.sugarlabs.org, wiki, lists, p

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 18 April 2016 at 18:21, Sam P. wrote: > Content is genuinely the most important. No matter how nice your design > is, no new visitor will be able to get what sugarlabs is by looking at your > site - it simply doesn't say it! I agree 100%, however, as I understood it, I think Juan Carlos

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Gonzalo Could you help explain this? :) On 18 April 2016 at 19:33, James Cameron wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 06:37:49PM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote: > > > > On 18 April 2016 at 17:48, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > > > [2]

Re: [Sugar-devel] Active development

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18 April 2016 at 22:00, Tony Anderson wrote: > OLE Nepal later converted the squeak activities to html5/javascript > because to speed up execution and reduce the memory size of the activities. THAT is interesting! :) Thanks! ___ Sugar-devel mailing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Fwd: GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

2016-04-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19 April 2016 at 04:47, Sean DALY wrote: > Hopefully the MIT Sloan conclusions will be taken into account > Yes, https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team#MIT_Sloan_MarketLab_Study is GREAT! :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Fwd: GSoC 2016 Website Redesign

2016-04-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19 April 2016 at 15:01, Sanchit Bansal wrote: > How do you guys like the slider to the show the three main images of the > website or I should do something else ? > > What do you think ? > If the images are in a scrolling page that is simple - like today - or fading in, like https://www.withc

Re: [Sugar-devel] Vision

2016-04-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19 April 2016 at 22:19, Tony Anderson wrote: > Sebastian Silva has just given us a way to leverage the library of Sugar > activities outside of Sugar, another way to extend the benefits of the > Sugar community. This is https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/FreeDesktop_integration and is li

Re: [Sugar-devel] Vision

2016-04-19 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi! I'm adding back the list - I feel annoyed that the SL lists are currently configured for reply-to-sender-only, but the systems team rejected my proposal to change this. Does it bother you? :) The other question I'm curious to ask you is, would you buy an XO-4 for your kids if they were avail

Re: [Sugar-devel] Vision

2016-04-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19 April 2016 at 23:14, Justin Overton wrote: > I did look to see if I could find a way to buy an XO-4, but I ended up > rooting my chromebook instead. It mostly runs fine on the chromebook, but > several of the apps don't work. EToys, Speech, and a couple of others. Cool! I think Sugar Lab

Re: [Sugar-devel] Any js related beginner bugs that I can work on

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 April 2016 at 04:59, Love Mehta wrote: > I was feeling really dumb after not being able to find any bugs I could > work on. > I'm glad you would speak on this list to say that - another good reason for shutting down trac and moving the issue tracking to github since the source code is ther

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Crossland
e it is contentious, it requires a SLOBs vote. I'll draft a motion. -- Forwarded message ------ From: Dave Crossland Date: 20 April 2016 at 08:28 Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Any js related beginner bugs that I can work on To: sugar-devel On 20 April 2016 at 04:59, Love Mehta wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Vision

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 April 2016 at 01:52, Sam Parkinson wrote: > > But Gtk+ is actually fine. > Does it run on iOS and Android? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Vision

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Manash! On 20 April 2016 at 01:04, Manash Raja wrote: > I would like to add a few thoughts. > Thank you! :D > I am a new member to the community and from my personal experience I found > that when it comes to contribution, it is quite difficult at the beginning > to align with the vision o

Re: [Sugar-devel] Vision

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20 April 2016 at 00:48, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:33:44PM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote: > > Interestingly OLPC also offer XO-4s today with either Fedora+Sugar, > > or Android, or Windows XP. > > No, we only build them with Fedora + Sugar + Gnom

Re: [Sugar-devel] Regarding GSoC proposal

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Utkash! It is too late, but don't worry :) On 20 April 2016 at 08:44, Utkarsh Tiwari wrote: > Hi, > > I guess it's too late for this but I couldn't add the 'screenshot' > popup prototype I developed to my proposal :( Is there anything I > could do fix it? > > Regards, > Utkarsh Tiwari >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Issue tracking on Github?

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi On 20 April 2016 at 08:35, Walter Bender wrote: > While SLOB can vote on this, personally I think it is up to the developer > community to decide. Sure, that's reasonable. How does the developer community resolve conflicts? > Can you summarize the recent discussion to date and ask for a t

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