[Sugar-devel] TurtleArt problems in Ubuntu

2011-05-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/turtleart/+bug/731133 TurtleArt 98.1, as packaged for Ubuntu, is missing essential files and cannot start. Who is responsible for this package? -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Womeninfreesoftware] [x-post] Fwd: pseudo-summer of code (paid)

2011-05-21 Thread Edward Cherlin
FYI. -- Forwarded message -- From: ॥ स्वक्ष ॥ Date: Sat, May 21, 2011 at 01:45 Subject: [Womeninfreesoftware] [x-post] Fwd: pseudo-summer of code (paid) To: "Discussion re: increasing women's participation in free software" , ilug-bengal...@googlegroups.com Hi, Two Internship p

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSOC proposal]Language Primer

2010-04-02 Thread Edward Cherlin
Learning languages is an essential part of the mission, so I am glad to see your proposal. You don't explain how you intend to teach grammar and usage. Can you tell us more? Will you include practice on speech sounds and intonation? 我在英国学中国话. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 03:04, Zhang Yao wrote: > Hi

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Sur] Presidente Chavez, com putadoras para niños

2010-04-01 Thread Edward Cherlin
Does anybody here know about this Lemote computer from Quanta, and its version of Debian? Venezuela is ordering lots of them. Is anybody working on getting Sugar on it? -- Forwarded message -- From: Luis Galindo Date: 2010/4/1 Subject: Re: [Sur] Presidente Chavez, computadoras par

Re: [Sugar-devel] New Chapter in Make Your Own Sugar Activities needs review

2010-03-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 16:26, James Simmons wrote: > This PDF has the "Fun With The Journal" chapter updated using Bert > Freudenberg's suggestions.  I've updated Sugar Commander based on > these suggestions and it works better than ever, and thanks to Bert I > understand parts of my own code tha

Re: [Sugar-devel] Porting a game to Sugar

2010-03-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
Check out Make Your Own Sugar Activities!, which is currently being written and edited. Let us know if you find any errors or omissions. http://en.flossmanuals.net/ActivitiesGuideSugar/Introduction On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 14:19, John I. Gakos wrote: > Hey folks, > > i need some help with the dev

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-14 Thread Edward Cherlin
You might find Sugar on a Stick in Virtualbox OSE to be a better development environment than an XO. I VirtualBox to test Sugar under different Linux distributions, and to keep multiple versions around. Install the Guest Additions, which let you mount a real drive that you can use for file transfer

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE][DESIGN] Feedback requested for an interactive introduction tutorial to Sugar

2010-03-14 Thread Edward Cherlin
I'm working on a different approach to introducing the XO and Sugar, by encouraging exploration rather than by explaining everything. It is based on my Wiki page http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable You will see that a proper tutorial has to cover more than the Frame, Views, Journal, B

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Double clicks

2010-03-06 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 07:39, Walter Bender wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Sascha Silbe > wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 10:27:37AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> >>> But looks like sugar doesn't use double clicks somewhere, was it done by >>> intention e.g. double clicks are too compl

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Turtle Art on Activities.sugarlabs.org

2010-02-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
Not just kids. I had to do my own detective work in order to send Walter a set of TA sessions for various lessons. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 13:08, David Farning wrote: > The other day during an infrastructure meeting, Walter brought up some > thought on how to enable kids to exchange Turtle Art pr

Re: [Sugar-devel] [POLL] Non Sugar Platform activities in Activity Library

2010-02-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
And will also be able to print out a pocket edition of my preferred scriptures in large type, in the original languages and English or other translation. ^_^ How big does flash have to get in order to make this a non-issue? On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 13:13, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] TurtleArt-83

2010-02-14 Thread Edward Cherlin
Thanks. Can we have a While or Until block? Also, prefix logic blocks? Both would greatly simplify certain kinds of program. Also, how about reading the color under the Turtle? On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:57, Walter Bender wrote: > I have a new refactored version of Turtle Art (a fructose module)

Re: [Sugar-devel] virtual keyboard

2010-01-21 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:30, Esteban Arias wrote: > Hi, > > in uruguay, we developed activity EscribirEspecial to children handicapped > (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4265). > EscribirEspecial has a system scanning buttons to write and the activity > writes on abiword. What

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] 'Resume' vs 'Start a new' Activity

2010-01-13 Thread Edward Cherlin
I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. > Thanks again. > Gerald > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 19:14, Gerald Ardito wrote: >> > Edward, >> > >> > T

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] 'Resume' vs 'Start a new' Activity

2010-01-08 Thread Edward Cherlin
gt; On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >> Excellent post. We need lots more like it to give us real-world >> information on children's learning issues. >> >> I am documenting these problems in [[The Undiscoverable]], and working >> on a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] 'Resume' vs 'Start a new' Activity

2010-01-08 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 05:39, Gerald Ardito wrote: > I am interested in this discussion. > I am managing a deployment of 140 XOs/SOAS (mostly XOs) and this issue comes > up a lot with the students. A couple of classrooms are just finishing a > project with EToys and Resume was a big problem for us

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] 'Resume' vs 'Start a new' Activity

2010-01-08 Thread Edward Cherlin
Excellent post. We need lots more like it to give us real-world information on children's learning issues. I am documenting these problems in [[The Undiscoverable]], and working on a guide for teachers to introduce and reinforce whatever children have trouble with. It has been on hold during my mo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Development

2009-12-26 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 13:50, Mark Symmonds wrote: > Hello! Welcome! > I am a freelance developer and LAMP architect with over twelve years > experience.  I would like to get involved in the OLPC development > project where my skills may be of best use.  Please let me know if there > is anythin

Re: [Sugar-devel] Religious/Spiritual Text

2009-12-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:45, Art Hunkins wrote: > It has recently been suggested to me that the religious/spiritual text in my > OurMusic and OurMusicMC activities may not be well received by some, and > that the text may hinder chances for deployment and even potentially cause > individuals (or

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Future of Zero Sugar

2009-12-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 06:09, Daniel Drake wrote: > On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 06:07 +, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> * as a 3rd party developer, I don't see such teachers requests listed >>   somewhere on wiki, that let me see what can I do and peek most >>   interesting/suitable-for-my-skils/etc task >

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Future of Zero Sugar

2009-12-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 20:31, Bryan Berry wrote: > I strongly agree w/ tomeu on this. > Making Sugar easier to contribute to isn't anywhere near the top of the list > of requested features by our kids and teachers in Nepal. > The far and away most requested feature by teachers in Nepal is a mecha

Re: [Sugar-devel] discovering open clip art library

2009-12-11 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 20:12, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Bryan Berry wrote: >> >> > The describtion of their dms is also so short that I'm not sure what >> > to make of it? >> there are a lot of notes farther down the page > > But the top of the page clearly s

Re: [Sugar-devel] OT: Thesis: OLPC Evaluation with Usability Engineering

2009-11-24 Thread Edward Cherlin
This is wonderful. I have been tackling the problem of Usability from a different direction, Discoverability, as you can see on my Wiki page http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable. I am in the middle of greatly extending that study. I am also, unfortunately, in the middle of moving from

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sharing in Terminal

2009-11-22 Thread Edward Cherlin
Excellent ideas. I would like to see the same option for programming. There are doubtless applications for joint programming, but RO would be great for XP pair programming and for code reviews. Now if we can integrate all of this with chat...Have a look at the Write interface in Floss Manuals. htt

Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing changes (was Re: RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good)

2009-11-18 Thread Edward Cherlin
Nobody has taken up my offer, so it is now dormant until I hear otherwise. I did not intend my suggestions to replace whatever is needed in the meantime. As I said, don't take anything personally. On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:14, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > 2009/11/5 Edward Cherlin : >> We

Re: [Sugar-devel] Tutorius Demo and Meeting

2009-10-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:11, Erick Lavoie wrote: > As discussed before, Tutorius is a project done by 9 students from > Université de Sherbrooke (Québec, Canada) aiming to integrate interactive > tutorials inside Sugar to guide Sugar users in learning the platform and its > activities.  Our goal

Re: [Sugar-devel] [OLPC-SF] Sugar packages for Karmic

2009-10-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
If you keep good notes, I will turn them into better documentation than we have now. I have been distressed by the lack of working Ubuntu Sugar packages for the last six months. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:58, Grant Bowman wrote: > This is great news!  David Farning at Sugar Labs is beginning work

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Edward Cherlin
I'm extracting some of the for [[The Undiscoverable]]. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Simon Schampijer > wrote: >> On 10/13/2009 04:36 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Michael just passed by the Acetarium and, since the din

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO emulator for Linux

2009-10-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Walther Neuper wrote: > Hi Tomeu, > > thank you for your mail ! > > You ask: >> Can you give us some more details about what do you plan to develop >> and how do you expect it to be deployed? > Christoph Derndorfer established a project in Austria, where 25 kids of

Re: [Sugar-devel] High School Programmer Volunteer?

2009-10-01 Thread Edward Cherlin
I can give it a go. I'm planning a sequence of lessons on Python using the programmable tiles in Turtle Art, ranging from simple function calls to whole programs calling various libraries. Does this student have a project picked out, or is he willing to take on whatever we have for him? Which vers

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Your message to Sugar-devel awaits moderator approval

2009-09-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:19, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> >>> I think most mailing lists (at least the ones I'm subscribed to) set >>> the reply to header as that of the mailing list s

[Sugar-devel] Development Bank seminar (was Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-09-16)

2009-09-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Gerald Ardito wrote: > Walter, > > Your report from the meeting from Washington is inspiring. Particularly, the > "what are we waiting for." +1 > As you know, I am in the process of documenting similar outcomes as part of > a doctoral study for a deployment here

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 11, Issue 89 (SoaS performance/hard drive swapping)

2009-09-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > As for swap, if you are repurposing discarded machines on any kind of > scale you are going to end up with non-functional machines which are a > great source of parts.  Strip the RAM from the dead machines and > upgrade the rest.  This is som

Re: [Sugar-devel] #606 UNSP: SoaS includes lots of fonts that don't work in Write (Soas2-200903211320)

2009-09-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
The fonts in your list that render as "tiny letters that all overprint" are mainly fixed-size bitmap console fonts that should not be used in a GUI. I don't understand why Lucida Typewriter would have a problem, nor do I understand why only one Lucida font is inclueded in SOAS. The Lucida family o

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] ColorButton

2009-09-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
Added to [[The undiscoverable]]. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Hi, > > currently the ColorButton is not fully clear in it's behavior (see > http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/388). Click outside the palette to close > it etc. The problem in the bug is that clicking outs

[Sugar-devel] Negative press (was Re: Sugar Digest 2009-09-11)

2009-09-11 Thread Edward Cherlin
Oh, don't fret. How about the good, even overenthusiastic, press (off by one on the version)? ;-> XO 2.5 out Fudzilla This newest laptop from OLPC features the VIA C7-M a 1GHz variable speed processor, which can manage full screen video playback, offering faster etoys and and scratch animation,

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-09-03

2009-09-05 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > === Sugar Digest === > > > > 1. The car allowance rebate system (CARS), more commonly known as the > “Cash for Clunkers” program, was used to bail out the US auto > industry. People who had purchased gas guzzlers were rewarded with > $4500 towa

Re: [Sugar-devel] updates and testing SocialCalc on the Sugar Live CD

2009-09-05 Thread Edward Cherlin
fly without problems, but I cannot type other currency symbols such as € or £ within Sugar. I will have to do much more language and locale testing. > Thanks again for taking time to work with SocialCalc so we can help provide > this functionality around the world through this platform. &

Re: [Sugar-devel] updates and testing SocialCalc on the Sugar Live CD

2009-09-05 Thread Edward Cherlin
I ran through all of the basic functions of SocialCalc, including every icon on every tab. I have tested some but not all of the 109 functions provided, with good results so far. Although there are functions I could wish for, the only real deficiency I have found is in the documentation. I have cr

Re: [Sugar-devel] updates and testing SocialCalc on the Sugar Live CD

2009-09-04 Thread Edward Cherlin
I downloaded SocialCalc from the Activities subdomain to the journal, where it installed and ran with no difficulty. I will give it some serious testing soon. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > Dear community members, > > We are preparing for the next release of SocialCalc o

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-30 Thread Edward Cherlin
I am in personal contact with Stallman (rms) on this. Who else here knows him? We have met several times at computing events, and discussed other questions in e-mail. I was a factor in his choice of the XO as his main computer, which unfortunately lasted only a short time, because he was unaware th

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-30 Thread Edward Cherlin
2009/8/29 Tomeu Vizoso : > Ok, so the idea is to focus our resources on the distribution level? > I'm not very fond of that because: > - polishing a distribution is _lots_ of work. Canonical, Novell, > Redhat, etc. are putting lots of resources into there. I think that a > small set of people can

[Sugar-devel] OCR?

2009-08-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
I was at a presentation last week of Abbyy OCR software, which works on pictures taken by mobile phone cameras in more than 100 languages. The company wants to give away software (though not source code) in was that will get the company good publicity. So we are talking about using their software w

Re: [Sugar-devel] The ARM is near

2009-08-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
We're going to do all of this for the XO-2 (ARM, dual haptic multitouch screens), and as with trees, the sooner we plant the better. Can we get a virtual ARM running on a Linux X86 system? It seems likely. QEMU has some form of ARM emulation. Also, https://wiki.cse.buffalo.edu/services/content/vi

Re: [Sugar-devel] erasing the journal and config

2009-08-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/8/27 Sameer Verma : >> We have a lending library at SFSU, ready to go, but we need to have a >> way to erase the config and journal every time the XO comes back from >> a borrower. > In my opinion, this is silly. Teach them how to run a s

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Who's interested in testing a new installer for SoaS?

2009-08-08 Thread Edward Cherlin
I can test in several distros in VirtualBox. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm looking for some volunteers to test the hard disk installation with > the latest SoaS snapshot and newly designed installer. Since this > upstream project is really in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Turtleart] Quesstions and Issues w Journal

2009-08-06 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Andrés Arrieta Perréard wrote: > Hi, > We've been testing turtle art and there is a menu called keyboard (at least > in spanish). But there are som things we do not understand what they mean, > like the block with a star. In more recent versions of Turtle Art, that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Reviving the Deployment Team

2009-08-04 Thread Edward Cherlin
> from a bang-for-buck pov.  But, from a community pov minor issues are > easy to report, easy to turn into bug reports, and often easy to fix. > By starting small we can learn and gain confidence that the process we > are creating work.  Once we have confidence in the process we turn &g

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Reviving the Deployment Team

2009-08-04 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Let me know how I can help! Likewise. > Thanks, > CAroline > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Farning > wrote: >> >> It looks like we have enough sustainable contributors to revive the >> Deployment team! >> >> The existing deployme

Re: [Sugar-devel] What is your favorite application for use in CS classes?

2009-08-03 Thread Edward Cherlin
1) I am currently working on CS, math, and science lessons for primary school classes based on Turtle Art in Sugar education software, originally for the OLPC XO but now available for multiple versions of Linux. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:G

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Class Notes July 22 - GS

2009-07-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Gary, > > Thanks for the comments and follow up! > Addressing two points below from two of your responses: > 1 - Name in Journal of file saved from browse > I may have mixed two issues. This one is not tagging. The work flow > for this is as

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > 2009/7/28 Aleksey Lim : >> The problems that 0.84 has in case of activity versions are: >> >> * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from >>  native packages; it makes process of upgrading activities >>  from .xo impossible >

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Class Notes July 22 - GS

2009-07-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > I posted the full notes here: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Class_notes Thanks. > Three high level points: > - Kids have no trouble finding new activities (e.g. Write) and they > want to have more to use. > -

Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

2009-07-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
Actually, I see Sugar API documentation at http://api.sugarlabs.org/ including Module dbus_helpers. Does this help? On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > If those who know where things are and how things work are willing, we > can create proper Sugar API documentation

Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

2009-07-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
If those who know where things are and how things work are willing, we can create proper Sugar API documentation. I'll help. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Ton van Overbeek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek >> wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have lately seen a lot of duplication of effort in Sugar.  I think this > is bad.  The success of Sugar demands discipline and careful planning from > its developers. > > In particu

Re: [Sugar-devel] Cannot resume/install .xo bundles in Journal

2009-07-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:19:52AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> The Wiki entry >> >> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_Activity#Installing_activities >> >> says >> >> .xo bundles that are down

[Sugar-devel] Cannot resume/install .xo bundles in Journal

2009-07-27 Thread Edward Cherlin
The Wiki entry http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_Activity#Installing_activities says .xo bundles that are downloaded from the Browse activity are stored in the Journal. By resuming the activity from the Journal entry will both launch it and install it on the taskbar. However, Resume does not ap

Re: [Sugar-devel] New activity Graph

2009-07-26 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Xenofon Papadopoulos wrote: > I have added a new activity I'm working on to the git repository, name is > Graph, it is plotting graphs of 1st and 2nd degree polynomials. Have you seen the plot() function in Calculate? It can plot a wide range of expressions. http:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language control panel broken: Chinese + Russian displayed

2009-07-20 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 01:54, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> There are serious bugs in language switching in My Settings (the Sugar >> Control Panel). > > Would be better to track each of these issues in individual tickets a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language control panel broken: Chinese + Russian displayed

2009-07-19 Thread Edward Cherlin
Your supposition turns out to be incorrect. (below) On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 01:54, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>> There are serious bugs in language

[Sugar-devel] Language control panel broken: Chinese + Russian displayed

2009-07-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
There are serious bugs in language switching in My Settings (the Sugar Control Panel). One is that switching to a language can result in bits of some other language appearing, and switching back does not necessarily restore the original language entirely. I have attached a portion of a screen shot

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Share sugar objects on a standalone server

2009-07-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Test case: > 1) Create a new TurtleArt activity > 2) Upload the new entry to the SL wiki using Browse > 3) Use Browse to download the entry back to Journal > 4) Resume it from Journal Thanks. That's something I missed. I'll add it to [[The u

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Share sugar objects on a standalone server

2009-07-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > One of lacks that sugar environment has is simple way to share sugar > objects for broad audience i.e. like scratch community has[1] > (thanks to davidmorris form #sugar). Yes, teachers and content developers need this, in addition

[Sugar-devel] Empty HTML from Turtle Art

2009-07-15 Thread Edward Cherlin
I have tried saving to HTML in several versions of Turtle Art up through 51, but have gotten only HTML files with empty bodies. Is the code there? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destin

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Turtle Art-54

2009-07-13 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Sugar Labs Activities wrote: > Url: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4027 > > Release notes: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4027#release-notes There is nothing in the Release Notes. "Version 54 — July 13, 2009 — 3,330 KB" What was changed? > Revi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-12 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > One comment re Write toolbars: there are numerous reports from the > field that we don't support bulleted lists, et al. I think the > pull-down menu on the style tab is not discoverable (in fact pulldown > menus in general in Sugar are diffic

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands "Keep"

2009-07-11 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 05:41, Eben Eliason wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: >> > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: >> > > Nobody in the world seems to understand the Kee

Re: [Sugar-devel] Haiti dormant (was Re: Sugar as desktop os)

2009-07-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
2009/7/10 Philippe Clérié : >> Did the laptops get distributed first? If not, where are they? > > No the laptops were not distributed as far as I know. As to where > they are, the information is not public so I don't know. > >> Excellent. I had a hand in getting Kreyol localization started. > > It'

[Sugar-devel] Haiti dormant (was Re: Sugar as desktop os)

2009-07-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
2009/7/10 Philippe Clérié : > We're located in Haiti. Excellent. I had a hand in getting Kreyol localization started. > Sorry I left that off. And before anyone asks > :-) we're not part of the pilot that was scheduled to begin in Haiti > last year. I briefly worked with them. As far as I can tel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problems running Sugar under Jaunty (9.04)

2009-07-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Frederick Grose wrote: > A new entry today > on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Community/Distributions/Ubuntu: > (from) Neil Mayhew 16:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC) > > I was able to make the sugar packages work by adding a gconf setting: > > gconftool-2 -s /desktop/su

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar as desktop os

2009-07-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
2009/7/10 Philippe Clérié : > I am looking into implenting sugar for a Montessori school. Maria would be so pleased. +1 Where is your school? Is there a Sugar/XO user group nearby? > The > current plan is to start with 10 to 20 (depending on budget) > computers for a group of about 100 students

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands "Keep"

2009-07-09 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: >> Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think >> it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch >> away from your activity. > > T

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-06 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: >> On 3 Jul 2009, at 10:01, Martin Langhoff wrote: >>> Wishlist: "show files by size" filter or option? If the Uruguay >>> experience is any indicator, a fact of life is that users after all

Re: [Sugar-devel] Jaunty up and running

2009-07-06 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM, James Michael DuPont wrote: > Sascha, > It build and installed all according to the instructions. > I dont have this all here at the moment as I said. If you have any > questions, you can see my build snapshot, that contains everything. Where? I want to link to it

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap

2009-07-06 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > Hi everybody, > > so here it is, the Sugar on a Stick v2 Roadmap: > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Roadmap > > Feedback is appreciated, and as we've just entered brainstorming phase, > please go ahead and shoot you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-03 Thread Edward Cherlin
I'm expecting you all to invent Linux groups any minute now. ^_^ On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Andrés Ambrois wrote: > On Friday 03 July 2009 02:29:56 pm Eben Eliason wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: >> > On 2 Jul 2009, at 14:47, Eben Eliason wrote: >> >> On Wed, J

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems

2009-07-01 Thread Edward Cherlin
Better way: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities#Midnight_Commander On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > I am trying to get leases.sig from the XS to the USB stick. On 8.2.x, > Browse.xo saves the file as > >   File leases.sig from http://... > > ... two possible ways to m

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
Oh, Michael, you're in trouble now. ^_^ You risk reinventing the data-centric Ontology in an Object-Oriented Programming form. This is one of the worst sinks for time and mental energy that I know of. It saps the will, because soon users become obsessed with making the map match the territory, whe

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 20:13, Gary C Martin wrote: >> Hi Tomeu, >> >> On 28 Jun 2009, at 09:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >>> 2009/6/21 Edward Cherlin : >>>> >>>> We have about 60 cha

Re: [Sugar-devel] Flossmanuals?

2009-06-26 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Bastien wrote: > I'm a bit skeptical about using flossmanuals for co-writing and > translating Sugar's documentation. > > What are the real benefits over a simple wiki? The documentation on the OLPC and SugarLabs Wikis is barely usable for experts, severely incompl

Re: [Sugar-devel] picked up by [some media]

2009-06-25 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > > I'm sorry Jonas, I had assumed the success of our launch (3700 SoaS > downloads yesterday) would be of interest to all Sugar Labs > contributors, in particular those who worked so hard on it. Does > anyone else feel it's too much information? I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: How do I get to upload a very nice VMware appliance to sunjammer?

2009-06-25 Thread Edward Cherlin
Somebody got a VDI working. We need to spread links around the Wiki on this. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VirtualBox#Sugar_on_a_Stick http://www.sugarlabs.org/static/soas/soas-strawberry-vdi.zip On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > Great! I was trying to make Strawberry run

Re: [Sugar-devel] Strawberry VDI, please

2009-06-25 Thread Edward Cherlin
Works fine on Virtualbox OSE on Ubuntu J. Thx everybody. I see several important improvements already. More testing tonight. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > Thank you. Downloading now. I am on a FLOSS Manuals book sprint today, > but I can report back by thi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Strawberry VDI, please

2009-06-25 Thread Edward Cherlin
how it goes. > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VirtualBox > > Thanks, > Caroline > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >> Several SoaS betas were made available as .vdi files suitable for use >> in VirtualBox. Can we get Strawberry in this

[Sugar-devel] Strawberry VDI, please

2009-06-25 Thread Edward Cherlin
Several SoaS betas were made available as .vdi files suitable for use in VirtualBox. Can we get Strawberry in this form? Or can somebody tell me how to create one? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Tr

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] BBC News!

2009-06-24 Thread Edward Cherlin
My daily Google alert shows this story on Gizmodo, MIT Technology Review, ferarriboy.com, and gadget.us. A Google News search turns up several more. o tuxjournal.net (Spanish) o neteco.com (French) o techradar.com UK o slashdot o h-online.com We are getting good coverage in the geek outlets, but

Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18:23AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >>> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different from >>> those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex >>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Customizing a Master Stick

2009-06-21 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > The user info is in .sugar/default/gconf/desktop/sugar/user > Delete .sugar/default/gconf/desktop/sugar/user/%gconf.xml .sugar/default/gconf doesn't exist in the SoaS image I am using from May 3. > -walter > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:13 A

[Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-21 Thread Edward Cherlin
We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display 40-50 characters from the description field for each entry on the main page. We could also drop off the word Activity from every Activity name. I am going to create dozens of lesso

Re: [Sugar-devel] Customizing a Master Stick

2009-06-21 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > I have a cool USB Copy machine thanks to NexCopy. What is its capacity? Can some of us order sticks from you for schools and demos? What do sticks cost in appropriate quantity? > My plan for FOSSED is to create a stick, download the extra a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-19 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Hi Bernie and others, > > [commenting since I was adressed personally] > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 06:46:25PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >>we'd like to get the streamlined branch

[Sugar-devel] SVG problem workaround

2009-06-19 Thread Edward Cherlin
I rendered the offending tiles on my laptop, and copied them into the virtual image. So I can start posting lessons tomorrow, barring further interruptions. -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] learning implode...

2009-06-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
How about writing this up for OLPC News? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: > My daughter, who is 3 years and 7 months old has largely stayed away > from the XO (or for that matter computers in general) other than > mimicking me by turning on the XO and giving our guests/visitors

Re: [Sugar-devel] Physics Roadmap

2009-06-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
Did you look at my Turtle Art version of Alan Kay's third-grade gravity lesson? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Gravity.odt On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Brian Jordan wrote: > Attaching Sugar Devel (people who want to be involved with Physics > development  might be on there). > > > On Mon,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Gsoc proposal: Speech Synthesis

2009-06-11 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:46:22PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:03 AM, chirag jain wrote: >>> A basic speech configur

Re: [Sugar-devel] Gsoc proposal: Speech Synthesis

2009-06-11 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:03 AM, chirag jain wrote: > Hi, > > I proposed for the speech-synthesis in Gsoc 09. My proposal can be viewed at : > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/speech-synthesis > > As a first phase of my development, I have implemented the speech and > karoke style coloring of the te

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal files on regular desktop

2009-06-06 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > About a hierarchical file browser in Sugar, I think we need it anyway > for removable devices, but I'm not sure where we would put such a > window and how it would look like. > > Regards, > > Tomeu I have been using the character mode file brow

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session

2009-06-05 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:09 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > Hi folks, >    We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday > 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and > 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) > > So far we

[Sugar-devel] FM-->DocBook (was Fwd: [FM Discuss] Fwd: Documentation ...)

2009-06-01 Thread Edward Cherlin
some good stuff online about html->docbook transformations if you can write a shell script to do it then we can hack it in somehow adam On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 16:12 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > How hard would it be to get the FM software to generate Docbook XML? > That would give u

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