Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-07-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 3 July 2016 at 10:17, Tony Anderson wrote: > Sounds good. Since I am running 0.106 is this implemented by changing an > file which I could retrofit? > Github allows you to download patch and diff files from a pull request by appending these as file extensions to the PR url: https://github.co

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-07-03 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Sam Sounds good. Since I am running 0.106 is this implemented by changing an file which I could retrofit? Tony On 07/03/2016 02:40 PM, Sam Parkinson wrote: Hi All, I have made a patch to implement this proposal: https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/pull/326 You really shou

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-07-03 Thread Sam Parkinson
Hi All, I have made a patch to implement this proposal: https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/pull/326 You really should try it out. It is surprising how much quicker it makes Sugar feel. Sugar feels much more snappy. It probably might even Sugar feel snappier on the XO1s, give

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28 May 2016 at 08:18, Sam Parkinson wrote: > I think that if we make palettes right click only I thought there was meant to be NO right click in Sugar? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Hi Walter, > > I am not sure why the right-click should not open a palette whose function > is comparable to the context-menus in other systems. I don't know how a > right click is used as an accelerator. > It is accelerating what hover doe

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-28 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi Walter, I am not sure why the right-click should not open a palette whose function is comparable to the context-menus in other systems. I don't know how a right click is used as an accelerator. The issue is that a right-click can open a palette which stays open until there is another clic

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-28 Thread Tony Anderson
I don't know. The current hover-to-open is very confusing to new users. It is particularly annoying when the menu disappears while you are trying to move the cursor to it. Using clicks makes opening the menu persistent until another click rather than dependent on the cursor position. I am still

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Sam Parkinson wrote: > Hi Tony, > > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Tony Anderson > wrote: > > Hi Sam > > I like the Google apps button on the Google main page and the menu button > at the far right of the Firefox toolbar. They show as a popup and have > plenty

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-28 Thread Sam Parkinson
Hi Gonzalo, I actually think this change unifies the touch and mouse design. Currently touch is designed so that a long press == a right click. The touch event is also ignored if it triggers a palette - so that long pressing a button only opens the palette and does not activate the button

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-28 Thread Sam Parkinson
Hi Tony, On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: Hi Sam I like the Google apps button on the Google main page and the menu button at the far right of the Firefox toolbar. They show as a popup and have plenty of screen space for icons and larger font sizes. This could support

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-26 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Something to think about is the interaction on touch devices. On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Hi Sam > > I like the Google apps button on the Google main page and the menu button > at the far right of the Firefox toolbar. They show as a popup and have > plenty of screen

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi Sam I like the Google apps button on the Google main page and the menu button at the far right of the Firefox toolbar. They show as a popup and have plenty of screen space for icons and larger font sizes. This could support a design in which a left-click always causes an action and a right

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Instant palette popdown - a usability improvement

2016-05-26 Thread sam
Hi All, A while ago, I dropped a mention on the list to how many users found the palette system confusing, at least in my usability testing experiment. I recently wrote this up, with a more detailed rational; https://www.sam.today/blog/sugar-with-instant-palettes/ I invite you to comment