[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
People in Paraguay complained for the removal of the Restart function from Sugar 0.88: http://trac.paraguayeduca.org/ticket/672 I suspect it's just natural user resistance to any UI change, so I asked for rationale. The change was requested by dsd, also without any good rationale to justify it:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Paul Fox
bernie wrote: > People in Paraguay complained for the removal of the Restart function > from Sugar 0.88: > > http://trac.paraguayeduca.org/ticket/672 > > I suspect it's just natural user resistance to any UI change, so I asked > for rationale. > > The change was requested by dsd, also

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Frederick Grose
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > People in Paraguay complained for the removal of the Restart function > from Sugar 0.88: > > http://trac.paraguayeduca.org/ticket/672 > > {...} > > http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1206 > > > I'm posting this for public discussion of thi

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 09:37 -0400, Frederick Grose escribió: > Anything else we would like feedback on? > > > Please also consider http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/503. I don't know... if we drop the Restart button in the menu, do we still need to take any action? Also, where's the p

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Daniel Drake
On 16 July 2010 06:25, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > People in Paraguay complained for the removal of the Restart function > from Sugar 0.88: > >  http://trac.paraguayeduca.org/ticket/672 > > I suspect it's just natural user resistance to any UI change, so I asked > for rationale. > > The change was r

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 15:33 -0600, Daniel Drake escribió: > There was a discussion on sugar-devel before that ticket was opened, > the changes had support from various deployments and other people. Which deployments requested it? > Reboot can still be trivially achieved with power down and p

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 07:50:09PM -0300, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > I asked in the ticket and on irc. The whole truth appears to be: "some > users bitched about it, better not argue with them". That's local customisation then. We should make design decisions based on use case and need, not on his

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Daniel Drake
On 16 July 2010 16:50, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 15:33 -0600, Daniel Drake escribió: > >> There was a discussion on sugar-devel before that ticket was opened, >> the changes had support from various deployments and other people. > > Which deployments requested it? The ide

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 18:30 -0600, Daniel Drake escribió: > On 16 July 2010 16:50, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > > El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 15:33 -0600, Daniel Drake escribió: > > > >> There was a discussion on sugar-devel before that ticket was opened, > >> the changes had support from various dep

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-17 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 08:40 -0400, Paul Fox escribió: > i'm was far more surprised by moving shutdown to the top of that > menu (i use the control panel a lot more than shutdown) than i was > by the removal of restart. Yes, I don't like this change either... but I'll ask the users what they th

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-17 Thread Paul Fox
bernie wrote: > El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 08:40 -0400, Paul Fox escribió: > > if so, it's the > > first large-scale usage of the new suspend-or-shutdown menu, so i'm > > interested in reaction to that. for instance -- is shutdown really > > the most often used menu item, now that the machine

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-07-17 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sat, 17-07-2010 a las 20:00 -0400, Paul Fox escribió: > dimming after 15 seconds? perhaps. or maybe we should simply make > the time-to-suspend quite a bit longer on XO-1. (a minute? two?) I'm not a fan of adding obscure configuration knobs for everything, but this seems one of those cases

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-08-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 00:50, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 15:33 -0600, Daniel Drake escribió: > >> There was a discussion on sugar-devel before that ticket was opened, >> the changes had support from various deployments and other people. > > Which deployments requested it?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-08-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 02:30, Daniel Drake wrote: > On 16 July 2010 16:50, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> El Fri, 16-07-2010 a las 15:33 -0600, Daniel Drake escribió: >> >>> There was a discussion on sugar-devel before that ticket was opened, >>> the changes had support from various deployments and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-08-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 01:42, James Cameron wrote: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 07:50:09PM -0300, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> I asked in the ticket and on irc. The whole truth appears to be: "some >> users bitched about it, better not argue with them". > > That's local customisation then.  We should

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-08-01 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 14:32 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > I've no objection to changing it back, just so that we look responsive. > > We could swap it back and forth once every year or so. A regular party. > > I would consider raising the bar a bit more when removing a change is > requested by r

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Restart

2010-08-01 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 12:50:49AM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Perhaps we could make the button configurable with a gconf key, like we > already do for Logoff? I agree. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] restart does not, and how to fix

2015-10-11 Thread James Cameron
G'day, Sometimes the logout, restart or shutdown option in the buddy menu does not work. Restarts from the control panel are also affected. No message is shown. The user must notice the problem and use the power button instead. An underlying cause is an activity or application that does not re

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] restart does not, and how to fix

2015-10-12 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:56:07PM +1100, James Cameron wrote: > The design choices are; > > - add a timeout of about 15 seconds, log, and then ignore the problem > and continue, [...] > > - ask the user to solve the problem, with an alert, [...] > > - combination of both above, make the tim