Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-21 Thread Bobby Powers
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Sameer Vermasve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Sameer Verma wrote: Hi Ben, So, you were referring to NM's inability to handle switching to hostap (making the wireless card act as an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-19 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Sameer Verma wrote: Hi Ben, So, you were referring to NM's inability to handle switching to hostap (making the wireless card act as an AP)? http://hostap.epitest.fi/ I'm aware of hostapd. In fact, I'm running it right now on an Athlon box in the living room, which acts as my apartment's

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-17 Thread Simon Schampijer
Let me summarize this thread: a) User Point of view Mesh: created automatically, small networks Ad-Hoc: user created, very small networks, internet connection sharing b) Technically Mesh: not range limited (package forwarding), no creator principle Ad-Hoc: range limited, best 2 people to avoid

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: H. Are you sure this is an accurate statement? I was under the impression that mesh forwarding support had been removed/disabled from OLPCs implementation a long time ago, since soon after the Mongolia deployment. Mesh was

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Peter Robinson wrote: Hmm... so if other people join that network, and then I leave, does the network not persist? I haven't experimented with this yet. yes, it will persist Really? My understanding of the ad-hoc network is that it basically puts the user that creates it wifi card into

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-17 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
 Also, I believe NetworkManager still has no concept of AP mode Do you mean that with NM you can't become an AP ? Something like that: http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/10/16/video-fedora-10-connection-sharing/ ? Or did I misunderstand what you meant ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-17 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: Also, I believe NetworkManager still has no concept of AP mode Do you mean that with NM you can't become an AP ? Yes. That video does _not_ show the connection-sharing computer becoming an Access Point. It shows it becoming a node on an ad hoc network.

[Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, the functionality to create ad-hoc networks has been created. Two little things are missing to finish this feature [1]: a) transmitting the creator's color (patch pending) b) new icons for the ad-hoc networks I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one? Or is the mesh icon appropriate? Or something completely new? I think new icons would be best, to distinguish from the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 08/11/2009 11:50 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one? Or is the mesh icon appropriate? Or something completely new? I think new

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Aug 2009, at 11:21, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 08/11/2009 11:50 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one? Or is the mesh icon

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Peter Robinson
2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one? Or is the mesh icon appropriate? Or something completely new? I think new icons would be best, to distinguish from the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Aug 2009, at 12:08, Peter Robinson wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one? Or is the mesh icon appropriate? Or something completely new? I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:35:15PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Tomeu: If has made it into one of the XO builds, I can run tests next week (3 XOs + 1 Mac). It's in my SoaS-on-XO-1 builds (and other SoaS builds, I believe). Regards, --Gary Martin pgpbBmIo3eeth.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 08/11/2009 11:50 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: From the user POV they are the same I guess. A local network, that does not need any infrastructure. I disagree. The mesh connections are automatic, and the presence of them does not indicate the presence of another computer like an ad-hoc network

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 08/11/2009 02:35 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: On 11 Aug 2009, at 12:08, Peter Robinson wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one? Or is the mesh icon

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 08/11/2009 03:49 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 08/11/2009 11:50 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: From the user POV they are the same I guess. A local network, that does not need any infrastructure. I disagree. The mesh connections are automatic, and the presence of them does not indicate the presence of another

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: I wonder if the ad-hoc network will scale up to that number of users :/ Though I am not an expert in this area. Maybe Daniel has some more insights on this topic. Yes. Ad-hoc networks do not scale at all because they are range limited. They also

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: I am becoming very confused.  Why does Sugar place an ownership concept on an ad-hoc network? Just in principle. Have you tried it? Create a network and it will be called Ben's network I'd be relatively confident that I could find Ben on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: I am becoming very confused. Why does Sugar place an ownership concept on an ad-hoc network? Just in principle. Have you tried it? Create a network and it will be called Ben's network I'd be relatively confident

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Hmm... so if other people join that network, and then I leave, does the network not persist?  I haven't experimented with this yet. yes, it will persist ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 08/11/2009 03:49 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de  wrote: On 08/11/2009 11:50 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: I wonder if the ad-hoc network will scale up to that number of users :/ Though I am not an expert in this area. Maybe Daniel has some more insights on this topic. Yes. Ad-hoc networks do not scale at all because they are

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Peter Robinson
Hmm... so if other people join that network, and then I leave, does the network not persist?  I haven't experimented with this yet. yes, it will persist Really? My understanding of the ad-hoc network is that it basically puts the user that creates it wifi card into ad-hoc AP mode and that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:11, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: From the user POV they are the same I guess. A local network, that does not need any infrastructure. I disagree. The mesh connections are automatic, and the presence of them does not indicate

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com: Hmm... so if other people join that network, and then I leave, does the network not persist?  I haven't experimented with this yet. yes, it will persist Really? My understanding of the ad-hoc network is that it basically puts the user that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 08/11/2009 05:42 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de: I wonder if the ad-hoc network will scale up to that number of users :/ Though I am not an expert in this area. Maybe Daniel has some more insights on this topic. Yes. Ad-hoc networks do not scale at

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: H. Are you sure this is an accurate statement? I was under the impression that mesh forwarding support had been removed/disabled from OLPCs implementation a long time ago, since soon after the Mongolia deployment. Mesh was killing the wireless

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Daniel, On 11 Aug 2009, at 17:19, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/11 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: H. Are you sure this is an accurate statement? I was under the impression that mesh forwarding support had been removed/disabled from OLPCs implementation a long time ago, since soon