Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: > >> By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is >> a very big deal for us. > > We use a local variant of the F11-XO1 images by Stephen Parrish, signed > wi

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:46 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:33 -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: > > > >> By the way, how do you upgrade the XOs (we have XO-1s) to .84? This is > >> a very big deal for us. > > > > We u

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better > quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. Are all activities working, including collaboration? In Gnome, can you actually use FF? Came

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 12:07 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > > If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better > > quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management. > > Are all activities worki

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Forgot to answer a paragraph: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 12:07 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > > If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better > > quality than build 801, provided you disable automatic power management

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Gary C Martin
On 13 Mar 2010, at 18:12, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 12:07 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bernie Innocenti >> wrote: >>> If you ask me: our recent F11-XO1 builds have reached equal or better >>> quality than build 801, provided you disable

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 20:50 +, Gary C Martin wrote: > Agreed, though this argument only really works if the changes > each time are easy to install from the user perspective with > no loss of data. I wish we were doing much better here. Me too, but it's not as bad as it seems: the techies use

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-14 Thread Chris Marshall
On 3/14/2010 9:49 AM, Chris Marshall wrote: > On 3/14/2010 1:17 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 20:50 +, Gary C Martin wrote: >> >>> It feels uncomfortable that Sugar 0.84 is already a year old effort >>> as of this week, from its official release, too far ahead of >>> depl

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-14 Thread Edward Cherlin
You might find Sugar on a Stick in Virtualbox OSE to be a better development environment than an XO. I VirtualBox to test Sugar under different Linux distributions, and to keep multiple versions around. Install the Guest Additions, which let you mount a real drive that you can use for file transfer

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Me too, but it's not as bad as it seems: the techies use a simple shell > script to backup and restore the journal (and scratch data) across So no XS in place? >> It feels uncomfortable that Sugar 0.84 is already a year old effort >> as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 10:46 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > > Me too, but it's not as bad as it seems: the techies use a simple shell > > script to backup and restore the journal (and scratch data) across > > So no XS in place? The repai

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> So no XS in place? > > The repair lab is not nearby any of the schools. Ah - ok. Thanks for clarifying. >> Downstreams that go to deployment (OLPC!) want to wait until a release >> is reasonably well tested and stabilised. > > We have a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 16:03 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Agreed. You can do what you are doing (run a school on newish sw, get > a tight feedback & bugfix loop) when someone like you is there. [...] > Yes -- but we gotta remember that it's productive (specially for > Sugar) because you are ther

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:51, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 16:03 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> Agreed. You can do what you are doing (run a school on newish sw, get >> a tight feedback & bugfix loop) when someone like you is there. > [...] >> Yes -- but we gotta remember tha

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

2010-03-22 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:51, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 16:03 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: >>> Agreed. You can do what you are doing (run a school on newish sw, get >>> a tight feedback & bugfix loop) when someone lik