Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread David Farning
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Sean DALY schrieb: >> IMHO, close study of small deployments makes them incredibly useful to >> all teachers and Learners. The observations and take-aways need to be >> triaged of course, starting with what can/should be done by Sugar >

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread David Van Assche
H... I have to agree with Christoph here. I didn't really see it as being dramatic at all, but quite factual in fact. The western small deployments really don't give us any useful stats on what is happening on a larger scale in the third world. And its important to acknowledge the differences b

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 15:51, David Van Assche wrote: > H... I have to agree with Christoph here. I didn't really see it as > being dramatic at all, but quite factual in fact. The western small > deployments really don't give us any useful stats on what is happening on a > larger scale in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread David Van Assche
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying... all I said was "we need more data from the field" I am in no way blaming anyone for not getting feedback, on the contrary, I am frustrated that the calls for feediback are not being heard enoguh, and I am well aware of people's efforts to try an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Assche wrote: [snip] > Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing > it? We all seem to agree that feedback is important. We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, big and small. We are currently

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread David Van Assche
>From my end, I can offer extensive feedback on Sugar usage in Andalucian schools, when we ship our next release in September. As this is a pretty controlled environment, we should be able to get some automated statistics. I'd love to hear some ideas on this. What could we install on the client sug

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread David Farning
David, Thank you, that is exactly the direction that we need to head! david On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:11 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > From my end, I can offer extensive feedback on Sugar usage in Andalucian > schools, when we ship our next release in September. As this is a pretty > controlled

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Also please share your ideas on have to better this feedback on the deployment team, meetings and wiki-pages. as a side note. we need also more feedback from XO deployments with Sugar, are OLPC and Countries willing to help ?. or just passing all the responsibility to SugarLabs?. I know that man

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-14 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 20:17, David Van Assche wrote: > I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying... all I said was "we need > more data from the field" Well, I also understood that you said that it wasn't obvious enough. Which surprised me after all the noise lately about getting feedbac

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-14 Thread David Van Assche
Ok, I think what's happening here is a breakdown in communication. When I used the term obvious, I was talking about Christoph's email... I was stating that perhaps the message, as I understood it, was that we need more data from the field... and that _the message_ was not obvious enough in the ema

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-14 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 17:12, David Van Assche wrote: > Ok, I think what's happening here is a breakdown in communication. When I > used the term obvious, I was talking about Christoph's email... I was > stating that perhaps the message, as I understood it, was that we need more > data from the fi

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-14 Thread Raul Gutierrez Segales
On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > [snip] > > Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing > > it? > > We all seem to agree that feedback is important. > > We mostly agree that there is